quote:He asked if there was anything else and I presented him with the most important aspect I could think of. "Will you use John Williams music in the movie?"
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I've always believed that they should use the exact same theme, it's as damn near recognisable as Superman's suit is.
And not to go off topic, but I've always believed that Lucas' decision to use new music for the PT is one of the reasons they are monumental screw-ups. Movies like Starwars and Superman are historical not only because of they way they appear on screen, but because of they way they sound.
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So they're connecting this movie with some alternate version of Superman 2? Going so far as to recycle John Williams' score?
I don't get it. I know those first two movies are respected, but they really should just establish this franchise on its own.
Batman Begins is doing that, so is Smallville for that matter.
quote:And not to go off topic, but I've always believed that Lucas' decision to use new music for the PT is one of the reasons they are monumental screw-ups.
Hey [*humorous yet vulgar disparaging remark deleted] every episode of Star Wars featured new scores. Ever notice the Imperial March? Try and find that in EpIV.
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I agree. I love the first two Superman movies, but I think a new generation deserves a new Superman, not have to look to two movies made over twenty years before their time to understand it. I'm all for honoring those first two films, but that can be done at the same time as starting the franchise over fresh. Besides, as much as I love the first two movies, there's a lot of pre-Crisis stuff in it that's just lame and outdated. I personally think Singer is taking his love of the original films too far by trying to create a sequel rather a new start. Making a sequel to a movie twenty years old isn't a very good idea...the only reason it worked for Star Wars is because the story itself called for a different time. Six years into the future is between Superman 2 and this new film is too much to swallow. I like the idea of using the original William's Superman theme, but the rest of the score should be fresh.
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I'd like them to use Williams' score if it was done sparingly.
Say, a light strings only version of the opening when Superman first walks on-screen in full costume transitioning into the new theme.
quote:I'm all for honoring those first two films, but that can be done at the same time as starting the franchise over fresh
Exactly. Smallville, for example, nearly falls over itself honoring the Reeve films by bringing in Annette O'Toole to play Martha Kent, along with Chritopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, and Terrance Stamp for rather critical guest spots. Not to mention sparingly using the Williams score.
But, at the same time, it's built a completely unique take on Superman including an ambitious mythology, and even improving on certain characters like Jonathan Kent beyond the movies or even the comics.
I don't see any reason why the movie folks can't do the same.
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While Jason Solo and son of lucas' ideas on using traces of the Williams theme are interesting, I think the new film would be better off with a score all its own.
Unlike the Star Wars Prequels (where certain themes from the OT were necessary in the attempt to establish a connection between characters & events from one part of the saga to the other) the new Superman film is not a part of any previously produced work, therefore it demands its own powerful score to set a distinctive tone, instead of intermittent tributes and/or reminders of Richard Donner's classic.
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IMO, the music is now in the same category as the Superman suit itself; that is, it'd seem odd to see Superman & not hear that theme.
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Michael Rosenbaum is an awsome Lex Luthor. I hope they choose him to play the part.
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My only hope is that they actually bring back John Williams instead of simply re-using the score, Batman and Robin style.
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Yes, thank you! That is exactly what I was going to say. No matter how much someone tries, they will not be able to do what John Williams could do. They won't have his character in the score, and that is what makes John Williams so great. You can listen to a piece of music and a theme, and say, "Ah, that's John Williams, isn't it." Hopefully they bring him back to score it, that would be amazing, and i think that there is a good chance he would, since it is such a classic. I know I wouldn't want anyone to mess up a masterpiece of mine.
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Admiral Exodus: IMO, the music is now in the same category as the Superman suit itself; that is, it'd seem odd to see Superman & not hear that theme.
My thoughts precisely. And SOL, I'm not going to start a flame war about this, but the only reason I brought up my opinion about the music from the OT is that it mirrors my opinion about the music from the original Superman, in that it is as recognisable as the actual film itself and thus is as iconic. It would be very hard for me to watch a Superman movie and enjoy it if all the correct ingredients weren't there (including the music). So if there is one thing I'm hoping for, it's that they decide to use Williams' score for the new movie. If they did that, it'd be a huge step (in my opinion) towards making another damn good Superman movie.
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Well...Its official! Brandon Routh IS our new Superman:
Official Brandon Routh Superman Press Release Source: Warner Bros. Pictures October 22, 2004
Warner Bros. Pictures made it official today that Brandon Routh has been cast as Superman. You can read the press release below and click on his picture for a much larger version:
Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Brandon Routh, a 25-year-old native of Iowa with television and film acting experience, has been cast as The Man of Steel in the Studio's upcoming Superman epic, to be directed by Bryan Singer. The announcement was made today by Jeff Robinov, President of Production for Warner Bros. Pictures.
The untitled Superman movie is expected to begin principal photography in Australia early next year for release in summer, 2006. It is produced by Jon Peters, Bryan Singer and Gilbert Adler from a screenplay by Michael Dougherty & Dan Harris. No other casting has been announced.
Stated Alan Horn, President and Chief Operating Officer of Warner Bros., "We are so pleased to have put this extraordinary team of filmmakers and talent together and to be moving forward with a project we've all anticipated so much. I think we're going to make a Superman movie that all of us can be very proud to bring to our audience around the world."
Routh was chosen for the role of Superman following an exhaustive search that spanned the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia. Thousands of candidates were interviewed before the final selection was made.
Singer commented on his choice of a star, saying "Contrary to speculation, it was always my absolute intention to hire an unknown for this role. Brandon is an extremely fine actor who possesses the physical qualifications of Clark Kent/Superman. But he also embodies the legacy and history of this character in a way that makes me certain he's the right choice."
"We respect and appreciate the intense interest that our fans around the world have in Superman, and we went everywhere in search of a talented actor who would represent his look, character and presence," said Robinov. "We think Brandon is a gifted young performer who can re-energize this iconic character and excite new audiences about the legend of Superman."
Routh's television credits include One Life to Live, Gilmore Girls, Will & Grace and Cold Case. He recently wrapped his first feature role in the upcoming film Deadly, starring opposite Laura Prepon.
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I actually like that they're taking up where Superman II left off. The first two films are such classics and the origin story is told so perfectly in the first one that it's kind of pointless to do it again. Why not just make a sequel?
And the news that they're using John Williams' score thrills me no end.
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I dunno that they pick up after Superman 2 per se-- just that the movie serves all superman mythos.
The idea is, they dont want to tread on the origin of Superman, cause he is a pop culture icon and everybody knows him. They don't want to tread on Smallville. The idea is that the world knows about Superman and was used to him, and he left. Similar to Kingdom Come. In more ways than one, this will be a rebirth.
If you like Smallville, you could imagine it as that character grown up. If you like the Reeves movies, it serves as a sequel to them to.
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quote:Originally posted by Tank: I dunno that they pick up after Superman 2 per se-- just that the movie serves all superman mythos.
The idea is, they dont want to tread on the origin of Superman, cause he is a pop culture icon and everybody knows him. They don't want to tread on Smallville. The idea is that the world knows about Superman and was used to him, and he left. Similar to Kingdom Come. In more ways than one, this will be a rebirth.
If you like Smallville, you could imagine it as that character grown up. If you like the Reeves movies, it serves as a sequel to them to.
That's more or less what the writer was quoted as saying over at SSH.com
Fans of the original 2 films will relate to the character as will smallville fans.
quote:Originally posted by Darth D: Fans of the original 2 films will relate to the character as will smallville fans.
Smart move if successful. In this way, the filmmakers will not alienate any one generation of Superman fans--the right recipe for a big hit.
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quote:Similar to Kingdom Come. In more ways than one, this will be a rebirth.
In the end, I wish they'd just go ahead and make Kingdom Come and be done with it.
quote:And SOL, I'm not going to start a flame war about this
I'm not going to get into a flame war either. It's completely unreasonable to ask that no new music be created for a new movie. You're an idiot. End of story.
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quote:Originally posted by son of lucas:
quote:Similar to Kingdom Come. In more ways than one, this will be a rebirth.
In the end, I wish they'd just go ahead and make Kingdom Come and be done with it.
quote:And SOL, I'm not going to start a flame war about this
I'm not going to get into a flame war either. It's completely unreasonable to ask that no new music be created for a new movie. You're an idiot. End of story.
Listen SOL, stop with the insults. Someone like you should know better than to throw around insults carelessly. That is the end of the story as far I'm concerned.
I have always loved the original OSTs for both Superman and Starwars. With regards to both, I can understand that making absolutely no new music for a new movie is stupid. However, I think they should have kept the original themes and work from there. I listen to the PT, and it's not Starwars to me. That's why I really wish they'd have kept the old (but rescored) music for perhaps 70% of the movie. That's my opinion, yours may be different, but it's mine nonetheless so you have no right to **** on it as you have.
With regard to Superman, my opinion is exactly the same. If they composed a brand new soundtrack for the movie (different than the original) then it wouldn't be Superman IN MY OPINION. As I've said before (as has someone else before me), I'm of the opinion that the theme of Superman is just iconic as Superman himself. If the two are seperated (which is your desire for this new movie), then I personally feel that the impact will be lost. We have a theme for Superman, there is no need to change it.
Each of the OT movies have different scores, yes. But they all sound like Starwars. William's was clever not to deviate too much from what he built in ANH. Ever wondered why there is much more dissent among fans with regards to the PT music than the OT music? It's because William's deviated too much from the Starwars music we all know and love. The consequences? Two Starwars movies which don't sound like Starwars (in my opinion). When will Lucas and William's realise that all the hard work has already been done, the magic hook (the Starwars theme) has already been created, no need to reinvent the wheel, just make it better. They failed, in my opinion.
See? A well written opinion without resorting to name-calling, isn't the world a better place?
Also, did I forget to mention that everything above is just my opinion? No? Ok then, for the record, it's just my opinion.
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quote:He asked if there was anything else and I presented him with the most important aspect I could think of. "Will you use John Williams music in the movie?"
He looked at me dead on and said very boldly, "Yes. Definitely yes."
The audience went nuts with this news.
KFJ also goes nuts with this news.
I'm also enthused about Spacey as Lex. I think I'll start being excited about this movie.
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quote:Each of the OT movies have different scores, yes. But they all sound like Starwars. William's was clever not to deviate too much from what he built in ANH.
Wrong. The Prequels have not deviated from from its predecessors any more than Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. Scoring from both those movies had completely unique elements along with returns to old standards. There was nothing in the Imperial March that could be connected to anything in ANH. There certainly wasn't anything in the Emperor's Theme remotely resembling anything in ANH.
You seem to be under the impression that Star Wars had some sort of uniform score from the beginning. It didn't. It varied a great deal even during A New Hope from Binary Sunset to the Death Star Escape to Vader's Theme.
To expect that John Williams was going to remain stagnant with a whole new cast of characters and a love story to work through is complete folly.
quote:That's my opinion, yours may be different, but it's mine nonetheless so you have no right to **** on it as you have.
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