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Please read all the way through before you ban me.
I personally think you are a bunch of know-it-all dickheads who couldn't run a hotdog stand if you tried.
I'm sure you are great people in real life, but the way you run this board is ridiculous. People ask for something, you don't give it to them and you give no reasons why. You ban members without warning. You give certian members certian privileges just because they are, for some reason, special. Oh, the **** I could talk on you if I had the energy.
There are thousands of members on this UBB, and if you're going to run a sucessful operation you need to listen to what they say.
And to think, in it's darkest hour I was going to go behind my parent's back and give money so that this place could continue to function. I'm ashamed of myself for wanting to support such a lousy hang out spot with my own money.
I know you pay the bills. Boo-Hoo. It's your own choice. When you start pulling the "I don't care what you people say, I run things my way cuz I have a web server.. Woo hoo!" **** , it gets under my skin. And the skin of everyone else here who isn't a major kiss ass. It's a lame excuse, and it doesn't work for me.
Maybe you have small *****es. Maybe you get pushed around by your boss at work and this is the only place that you can feel secure and special about yourself. Maybe it's one of a million things..
Just lighten up. Jesus, remove the broom stick from your ass, lick it clean and join in the fun with the rest of us. I've been at this message board longer than 99% of the active members here, and you know what? I remember when it wasn't ruled by power hungry nazis with small *****es. I remember when it was moderated by cool people who liked to cut loose and have fun. But we all know that Nightly is gone and this is what is left.
I hope you took the time to read this, and not just ban me after the first paragraph. If you feel the need to slap a ban on my IP for getting this off my chest, so be it, you'll just prove my point further..
But I at least ask you to keep it open long enough for the other members to speak their minds. Or I will be very disapointed in guys who I used to think were really cool.
Thank you.
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Snoop do you drink while you post sometimes or something? Because I swear you can be one of the brightest and wittiest posters on Nightly sometimes. But then there are times like these. I like you. I respect your opinion. But you do not have to express it this way. You just make yourself look stupid. I'm not saying I'm above it. I 've done some dumb crap on here too. So I'm not judging you. I'm just disappointed you did this. Because you probably will get yourself banned over nothing.
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Snoop, your opinion is greatly appreciated.....honestly. But things aren't going to change just to make one member happy...sorry.
You are right, this is not your message board, this is just one of thousands of message boards on the net. You are a registered member, you agreed to terms created by Chris, JA, and myself. If you don't like the way we run things around here then leave, nobody is forcing you to stay here. As I said, there are thousands of message boards on the net, feel free to chose one. If you like the members here and you feel at home here, then I suggest you play by the rules, even if you don't like them.
Basically it is the "as long as you are living under my roof, you will follow my rules" thing that you live with at home.
I assure you that the other popular message boards are far more strict than we are. I look around them all the time to keep up to date, and I see very strict rules and regulations. As people who have been to TF.N, and other popular sites.
Now I don't want you to leave, but to be totally honest I don't care if you do. I will simply wish you the best in life and tell you that I hope to see you around the net sometime.
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And no Snoop, I will NEVER ban someone for giving me their opinion...no matter to what extent I disagree with it.
And you have to admit that I have NEVER banned someone for disagreeing with me, hating me, or lashing out at me. I might threaten sometimes when people push my buttons, but I never actually follow through. I only ban trolls and the occasional alias.
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I'm not asking for you to chagne the rules here.. That whole rant was.. me remenicing..
Suck - You know I'm just a punk teenager.. go light on me.
-------------------- And all these thoughts of other thingsLosing my mind I am balalcingOn another thought of what's come beforeWith nothing less, whatevermoreI can hold your hand while you're coming downI can flap my arms until my feet don't touch the groundHolding on to nothing at all And I want to know can you hear me?-T.I.P.
quote: Just lighten up. Jesus, remove the broom stick from your ass, lick it clean and join in the fun with the rest of us.
I'm sorry but..that's just ****ing hilarious..
I can totally agree with you..but, not on this board. On a different board. I don't have too many run ins with the Admins, only one so far! YAY! Yeah, that's all I want to say.
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Yea, he had a few funny lines in there. Unfortunatly they were all aimed at me, makes it sort of hard to laugh at. But I just pretend that it was aimed only at JA so I can laugh.
Master Pimp
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I think that one point Snoop was trying to make and may have got lost in the boomstick blast was that if you go around saying that "Hey this is the way it is, deal with it or leave.", eventually your going to lose a lot of people. Especially when the older members of the board get tired of not being treated like adults and given reasons why things happen, not simply the standard "because I said so" line. Adults like to use that but they hate hearing it.
I think there needs to be a better balance between trying to appease the majority of the members and ignoring the whining of one or two. Some things don't need explanations but others do, especially when members ask for them.
Just my 2 cents (3 cents if you live in Canada. Damn exchange rate)
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I seem to have a way of losing my point in my punk-teenager ramlbings.
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quote:Originally posted by Master Pimp: I think that one point Snoop was trying to make and may have got lost in the boomstick blast was that if you go around saying that "Hey this is the way it is, deal with it or leave.", eventually your going to lose a lot of people. Especially when the older members of the board get tired of not being treated like adults and given reasons why things happen, not simply the standard "because I said so" line. Adults like to use that but they hate hearing it.
I think there needs to be a better balance between trying to appease the majority of the members and ignoring the whining of one or two. Some things don't need explanations but others do, especially when members ask for them.
I will say that even though I usually agree with the way you guys run this message board, that is one of the phrases I hate hearing, no matter who it comes from. Unfortunately in the long run, people will leave if they keep hearing it. I haven't personally had any problems with the administration so far, but I can sympathize with what SSD is saying (or trying to say in his punk teenager rant ). In some cases, it is warranted when someone is being unreasonable. Now DP and JA, I'm not saying kiss the ass of every member and whiner here, but uh.. Master Pimp may be onto something with being perhaps a bit more... "diplomatic" shall we say?
If someone's being a whiner, go ahead and say "shut the hell up". But listen to them and think about it before you do.
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Well I'm sure that JA will enjoy fixing Nightly after he reads this.
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My personal opinion is pretty much opposite of what you guys are saying. (big surprise, I know) And no, I am not a kiss-ass. However I've been here long enough to see that DP and JA have tried it the 'nice' way time after time. That works well enough as long as it's not directed to anyone in general. However the moment it's aimed at someone who is a 'regular' or a bit 'louder' than others, no one listens. So then yes, they have to get more tough with what they are saying. And then tougher still because someone isn't getting their 'way'. Proof is in that thread right here that DP locked. He tried to explain his and Torch's actions but because it wasn't what anyone wanted to hear; people kept complaining until he resorted to 'yelling' and saying 'my way or the highway'. You can say that people will leave over his attitude all you want but I haven't seen anyone leave because of them, yet. Nighlty is like an addication and most of us stay. When someone leaves, it's usually because of conflict with another member, real life, or a banning. Instead of thinking nightly as a parent/child relationsip; I see it more of a job. Yes we all come here because we want to. No one gets paid. However JA and DP are basically our 'bosses'. How many of you honestly go to work; rather it's McDonald's, Kmart, Teaching, ect. and tell the boss how to run things? None of you do. I've said it before, you want a better nightly, post topics you like; post with in the TOS. It's not that hard, lots of other people do it. You want to suggest something; suggest it, don't whine about it. You have a problem with a member or an admin, PM or email them; don't put it on the boards. You don't like someone, don't go into their threads and don't reply to them if they are posting in someone else's threads. These are simple, easy things to do yet I see a few people who find it difficult to comprehend. In all honesty THAT'S working with the adimins and that's how to get them to listen to reasonable suggestions. Not bellowing to them, not calling them names, not flaming them and calling it an opinion, and certainly not testing the limits of the rules all the time. You want respect from the admins, treat them with respect.
-------------------- And all these thoughts of other thingsLosing my mind I am balalcingOn another thought of what's come beforeWith nothing less, whatevermoreI can hold your hand while you're coming downI can flap my arms until my feet don't touch the groundHolding on to nothing at all And I want to know can you hear me?-T.I.P.
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I believe that JA and DP do the best job they possibly can espically when we have all these members with very different tastes and opinions.
I am not saying that SDD had no right to post this topic, because he has his own opinion and it too, should be valued as much as anyone elses.
So, in closing, JA and DP are doing the best job they can in this situation and I thank them for that.
-OB1
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This is a very large message board and requires a ton of time and effort to maintain properly. The fact that JA and DP do this voluntarily (meaning both without a gun to their heads or monetary compensation) speaks volumes about them... And the job they do is... well... okay. I appreciate the job they do when they do it. But to be perfectly honest, they often just let things slide. They know they do this. It's not some huge secret that they don't spend all of the effort they could on NN. Chris is newly married and JA has a life* (*Note: JA having a life is still conjectural at the time of publication). However, that's no excuse. There is a point when an endeavor becomes more than its constituent parts, and Nightly has been that since before either of them became an Admin. It's not JA's personal message board, nor DP's... Sure, in reality it is Chris Sherman's personal property, but spiritually we all own Nightly, we're all a part of this community, and it's a part of us. Nobody is saying that the Admins should give into every whim of a new member or of a longtime member. However, (while I almost completely agreed with DP's actions the other night) he did suggest that responding to those members concerns was a waste of his time. And I understand why he said that, don't get me wrong. In that instance his time was being wasted. But there are plenty of other times when members have come to this Feedback Forum and spent their time offering real suggestions for nothing but the betterment of Nightly. And what happened? Often times they were either totally ignored or they were told a flat "No" without the benefit of an equally reasoned response to their reasoned inquiry. If they push the subject for the answer they should've been given initially they're considered jerks and told to e-mail the Admins... Well, sorry, but the fact is that this is the Feedback Forum. If decisions and explanations don't belong here right along with suggestions then something is fundamentally wrong. I'm not saying that every joke needs to be answered (although the jokes ironically enough are often the only thing you can be assured to get a comment on), in fact, I think they should just be deleted, but just because you guys have other things to do doesn't mean you don't have an obligation to NN and keeping it running as it should be run. And that's where I take exception to a comment above... You guys aren't doing the best you can. More time and energy devoted to NN would make it a better place. Now, if that comment were, "You guys are doing the best you can given the amount of time you want to put in" okay... I'll agree with that. But that's not terribly positive for NN's health. And boy is this de ja vu... I remember ranting for 9 months last year about DP being the CL of Prequels when he wasn't really doing anything in there. You guys kept saying you'd consider another CL and ultimately did. But for many old timers that came too late. I hope you aren't going to miss the boat on this one as well... Having cautioned this, I think it's time to get another Admin. I would limit through a gentlemen's agreement this person's duties to what he is doing now and also dealing with public relations, trolls, and that sort of thing. He would be rather like a liason between the current Admins and the membership. If something was a good idea he could champion the cause, if it wasn't he could explain why here in Feedback. That's why I think Mandard should be made an Administrator. Do it or don't, that is up to you.
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And the parallel between Chancellor Palpatine and Mandard becomes even more pronounced.
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Mandard: The cause of, and solution to, all of nightly's problems.
(apologies to Homer Simpson)
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I don't think this was ever a rant about how much time they spend working on this board. They do spend their own time and everyone appreciates that. The point was if they do that work, you would think they would try to keep as many people here as possible. No was this about the Troll incident. I actually agreed with DP on that. I'm not quite sure what DA and Sunny expected.
I really never understood why some people think that simply because people are in a leadership role that they shouldn't ever be questioned. That's how bad things happen.
I personally have no problem with the admins or the way they run this board, except the one point Snoop tried to make. I'm glad they take care of this board and I think they do a very good job. But a concern about Nightly's continued well being is something that is everyone's buisness.
Of course, if they don't like criticism or being questioned, I guess they could just leave.
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Well I agree ( surprisingly )with GK that we probably could use a new Admin and Mandard would make a good one. As would a lot of other CL's.( I'm kind of partial to Silky Jinn myself. Duh?! ) I think our current Admins do a great job. But I'm sure it has to be a lot of work. After all, at one time we did have four Admins and now we have only two. But after what Oji and SLI did on here, I wouldn't blame JA and DP if they never trusted anybody else in that role again. I'm not trying to imply Mandard would do such a thing. But like the old saying goes, twice bitten three times shy. Also, I hope no one sees anything I say here as an attempt to insult anyone or pick a fight. I am just stating my humble opinion on this issue.
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A third administrator I think would be a great idea. The community is very large now, another trustworthy administrator would do a world of good. And IMO, I don't think there would be anyone else better for the job than Mandard. I really hope it's something you two think about, JA and DP. I'm sure you wouldn't regret it.
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Wow, SDD, I have to give credit where credit is due. Your post was very well written. I'm dead serious right now! Very well thought out and planned, very witty, intelligent, and wow, I feel kind of inspired by it. Even though I don't necessarily agree with what you said, I sure as hell was impressed by it!
Christ man, you should run for Congess or something!
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quote:Originally posted by Ryn: And the parallel between Chancellor Palpatine and Mandard becomes even more pronounced.
If only Mandard had a fundamental understanding of the plot of Episode I, he might fully appreciate this parallel himself. It's such a shame he doesn't, though.
Still, I agree he would be a fine choice as another admin, just like D-Day said.
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Once before I joked that I was now an Admin and people said "Thank God it's only a joke." I then stated "Yeah, they'd never make me an admin. I'd do what the people asked me to. I'd turn this place into a democracy."
-------------------- And all these thoughts of other thingsLosing my mind I am balalcingOn another thought of what's come beforeWith nothing less, whatevermoreI can hold your hand while you're coming downI can flap my arms until my feet don't touch the groundHolding on to nothing at all And I want to know can you hear me?-T.I.P.
quote:Originally posted by Snoop Doggy Darth: Once before I joked that I was now an Admin and people said "Thank God it's only a joke." I then stated "Yeah, they'd never make me an admin. I'd do what the people asked me to. I'd turn this place into a democracy."
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