I spend more time here then anywhere else on line and it's because it's a great site. This site is like an actual family dynamics. Do you feel that at other sites, especially Star Wars based ones? I haven't. I laughed at the father, daughter and son bickering(DP, Silky and Snoop). At the force.net everyobody would have been banned already. I have seen people there banned because the actidently posted in the wrong forum. Yeesh. I like this family and I don't want to see it seperated. Sure some members may change or grow out out of the boards but that is expected but new kids of all ages will join in on the fun.

Is the site getting stale? No in my opinon, to some it may seem that way but cycles happen on everysite. If you want more interesting topics then you have to come up with then or respond to a topic.

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Originally posted by General Kenobi:
No thanks chum... I'll go work on a board where my time is put to a useful purpose

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Are you sick of me asking for you to completly explain youself yet? Maybe now you get my point.

And you are right, ultimatly I am the admin and it is my decision what happens, with approval from JA of course. And if we "suck at communicating" as you suggest, why am I still explaining myself to you?

But get rid of that whole "then ezboards wouldn't be around" argument, because that is just silly. If you are suggesting that my communication skills being weak is the sole reason for their existance, then you are wayyyyy off base. And if you are reffering to the thousands of ezboards that members here have created, I have been to most of them, and they are all dead. But if your message board is so "happening" and this one has such crappy admins, then why are you even here anymore? To give me "suggestions" on how to better this message board? If that is the case I would actually like you to take your "holier than thou" attitude and leave.

[Edit: scratch the rest of it... ^that sums it up]

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Originally posted by Darth Whoever:
DP=admin
DW=future admin

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Originally posted by General Kenobi:
No, the fact that you're an ass-hole comes through loud and clear.

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:: points at GK and laughs ::

What point did you supposedly make?? The point that I don't communicate?? What the hell do you think I have been doing for the past two days on this thread, baking friggin bread?? No, I have been getting blisters on my fingers typing my explainations to you, but that just isn't good enough for you is it? What would you like me to do, drive to your house and hold your hand while I explain...again, my feelings and reasons for doing the things I do?

Let's go back shall we.

You said I don't communicate with the members well enough. To that I replied that I simply don't have the time to answer in complete detail every little question directed my way. I said that I always explain my reasons for doing things when I am asked, but sometimes that is not enough for some member and it becomes an argument. I even used an anology, I said it was like a baseball team manager arguing a call with an ump. The member being the manager and I being the ump. I said that the manager argues against a call by the ump, and the ump tries to explain why he made the call. And he will continue to do so until the point where the manager will not take the umps reasons and the ump has no choice but to end the argument. I said that is what I do, I try to explain why I closed the thread, banned the member, edited the post, or said what I said. If the member does not like my reason and wants to continue the fight I simply close the thread and go about my life because I don't have hours to spend arguing with one member about some silly fight.

You then replied to all of that by saying that there are supposedly a lot of threads in the feedback board that I have ignored. So I asked you to bring those threads that you speak of to my attention and we would talk about them. Then you said that you didn't have the time to do it (ironic isn't it), but you still brought up those supposed threads again. With that I again asked you to bring them to my attention, which you again said you didn't have the time to.

Then, for reasons I don't know, began to just flat out attack the way I do things, by insuating that your ezboard is better than Nightly because you are superior to me. I shrugged that argument off because it was simply stupid, and with that you called me an a$$hole.

Did I sum up the thread good enough for you?

I may be an a$$hole sometimes, but I do not start with the calling when I lose an argument. Notice how the beginning of this thread was everybody against me, and now it seemed to shift a little, don't you think? I wonder why that is.

Had I simply said "because I said so, that is why" and closed this thread last night, it wouldn't have gone this far and we wouldn't have lost a CL who "refuses to work under" me.

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Originally posted by NumberSix:
Over Mandard's dead body!

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Are you actually reading my replies?? Which of your "points" have I not answered?

I asked you to go get those threads because I know they don't exist...and so do you because you won't go get them. You say that there are so many of them, yet you won't find any of them.

You claim to have made so many wonderful points, and I have answered the only question you raised. But you are not satisfied.

At this point I really don't care to continue this, I am tired of wasting so much time trying to explain things to you that you simply refuse to listen to.

Hmm... and what are all the long posts from DP in response to you, then, if they aren't responding to anything you've said?

It's not that he isn't responding. He's responding and you aren't agreeing with him. In reality, you claim he isn't responding because he isn't saying what you would like to hear.

DP doesn't need to explain his reasoning because he's an administrator. Quite the opposite. Some things are not meant to be explained, and that's all there is to it. If you can't deal with it... unfortunate. I have little doubt DP takes a great deal of time to do things, most of which you probably never see (along with virtually all other members, which is part of the problem of site administration).

Unless you are DP, you cannot say what his intentions were/are, since you are in your own mind, not his.

At any rate... I'm amazed DP has let this go on for so long. Surely he must have other things on the site to attend to. Perhaps that's why he's not getting things done... because he has to respond to needless garbage.

What annoys me the most in this world is how some people, overcome with their arrogance, insult others in ways that don't make sense. The critical male sex organs have nothing to do with how they handle matters regarding message boards. Absolutely zero. Perhaps some of us would like to think for a minute about why they can use only words that will get censored to describe how they are displeased with what is going on.

Snoop Doggy Darth, I respect your opinion. I agree that sometimes I am not completely satisfied with the handling of this message board (and others). And you are not the only one that argues in this way. But I am not exaggerating in saying that I get much more tired trying to read a post filled with asterisks (and sometimes having to figure out what they say) than reading a reasonable post, no matter how much it criticizes something. Of course, you don't have to listen to me, I'm not even a teenager yet.

I think the most important thing that we have to keep in mind, or at least I have to keep in mind, is that the administrators do have a personal life. They cannot fix every problem that occurs on this board. It is impossible. Now, the difference between my opinion and others here is how much of their personal life should be sacrificed to take care of Nightly.Net. I personally believe that these message boards are the sole property of the administrators. I personally do not mind what they do, as long as I can argue and discuss topics like Star Wars, Movies, Astronomy, stuff like that. So if I suddenly decide I don't like what they are doing, I leave. Simple as that.

In no way am I saying my opinion is correct. In fact, I think there are flaws within that. I have a lower-priority opinion, simply because I am not awake until the late hours of the night monitoring activites here, I only registered last October, and I haven't lived long enough to "get out in the real world". So I truly look into the opinions of those who believe that the administrators are obliged to do a better job, starting now. But as for me, I'll leave when I feel like it. But I'm not going to leave, because since the entire time I registered here, the administrators seem to have done a great job.

As for General Kenobi:
I found myself laughing at the computer again. Because rumor has it that you are after the administrators's jobs. I see you sort of as a "Palpatine" type guy, with a twist.

Now let's talk turkey. (Or for those who think that's discriminating-) Let's be coherent. First of all, if you say you're going to show Darth Palpatine all the topics he neglected, then do it! Instead of making an excuse like "you have better things to do with your time". Sorry, I know it was already mentioned, but I had to say that.

The Feedback Forum is sort of like a bunch of e-mails to the administrators, all centered in one place. Darth Palpatine said he respondws to every Personal Message that is sent. I believe him. I even sent him a PM requesting an explanation of what the connection was with "sheep jokes" and Administrators, and I got a reply. But there are a lot more posts in this forum that he gets in his PMs, probably. Fact is, no matter how hard he tries, he can't answer all of the posts. Now, if you have any concerns that are just itching to be discussed, PM him. I'd say that's a good option.

What I'd like to add to this argument is what I think about the handling of the Feedback Forum. DP and JA never will be able to answer all posts. But what we can do substitutionally is discuss it among the members. The most crucial topics are always answered. I know it. So if DP and JA don't choose to reply to a topic that any member feels needs to be answered, discuss why there is/isn't a need for whatever you are suggesting. Then, like I said before, if it's extremely important, PM him. If not, then some member will probably explain why it is a bad idea.

Darth Palpatine and The Jedi Apprentice are here to moderate and maintain "peace and justice". This is not a strict Question & Answer session. So, even in the Feedback Forum, improvement can be acheived without the help of our adminstrators. After all, that's what a message board is for, right? A discussion among the members.

And you are right, there most likely have been times that JA or I did not respond to a thread in feedback that we felt was not important enough to warrant our attention at that time. Maybe we were too busy answering other questions or fixing something else on the boards. And while we might not think they are important, it might be to someone else.

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As for General Kenobi:
I found myself laughing at the computer again. Because rumor has it that you are after the administrators's jobs. I see you sort of as a "Palpatine" type guy, with a twist.

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lol, yep that's me... our for power.

GK and DP, I see BOTH of your points, or at least an extent on one of them.

On communication: One thing I will say about you, DP, is that you DO take the time to comment on feedback, and if you say PM's and email, then I believe you on your word, since I've never actually PM'd or emailed you to invalidate that.

I have to agree with that point!

No matter whether it would be CLs or even a new admin, could you guys at least seriously consider appointing someone NOT from the US, and thus from a different timezone?

I mean, there are a good number of members here from Europe and Australia. Are they represented by even ONE CL??? NO!

A mod from one of those continents could be on when you US members are not, it's as simple as that. And tehre are quite a number of "oldtimers" from both those continents that

a.) are regulars at NN
b.) post for a few hours/day
c.) are mature and responsible

Otanku, I see what you are saying. And yea for the most part I am the more social Admin and JA is the behind the scenes type of guy. He is a lot like the way Chris was back when he was the only admin. It is actually very unfortunate because JA was a very active member here, but now it is not a fun place for him to simply hang out anymore, it is a job to him now. So instead of being upset with him, be upset because he doesn't have the time to just hang out anymore.

As for SDD thread directed to JA that I closed, actually there were two of them. I closed them because they made no sense. They said "I demand satisfaction now", and nothing else. There was no purpose for the thread so I locked it. I know that it was directed to JA, but because the limited amount of info provided on the thread led me to believe that JA would know what he was talking about. If that was the case then it was something that was private, which should have been handled via PM.

If SDD tried PMing JA and JA did not respond, then SDD's next step should have been to come to me, not post in feedback. If JA was out of town or too busy to check his PM's, then he obviously was too busy to check feedback. I hope that clears that one up.

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Originally posted by Darth Palpatine:
Master Yo, actually that is something that factors into out choosing of CL's, time zones. Sometimes it simply doesn't work out that way, but that is what we would love to have. CL's from all over the globe so someone would be here pretty much 24 hrs a day. But JA is on the West coast and I on the East, so that helps out.

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Pardon me ... it's a 3 hour difference between your two coasts! Not much, if you ask me!

A member from Europe is between 6 and 9 hours ahead of you, I don't know the time difference between the US and Australia. But THAT's something that should be looked at more seriously.