Topic: I disagree with the restrictions put on in the prequel board.
D-Ray Kenobi
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I had a bit of an argument about this with Mandard last night, and I'd like someone from the "higher power" to take a look at this situation.
Mandard has decided that individual threads about the new title should be closed, and any thoughts, opinions, etc should be posted within the official announcement thread.
I strongly and respectfully dissagree.
A story as big as this should not be held to a immense thread where individual comments and thoughts will be overlooked and ignored.
Mandard says that if he didn't close individual topics about the title, the board would be overflowing.
I agree there, but in a case such as this, where the Episode II title is announced, that is to be expected.
Perhaps the board should be made a little larger to accomodate that, or to lighten up on the rules a bit,..whatever the solution may be, that's not my problem, I'm not an admin so it's not my job.
If you want to discuss the prequels in the prequel boards, why not do so where everyone's posts will not be overlooked?
quote:Originally posted by D-Ray Kenobi: Perhaps the board should be made a little larger to accomodate that, or to lighten up on the rules a bit,..whatever the solution may be, that's not my problem, I'm not an admin so it's not my job.
So you'll whine, and try to go over Mandard's head, but you won't try to come up with a compromise?
I have a feeling you'll lose this battle.
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D-Ray Kenobi
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Wow, Obi Wan, by your posting of something that has already been said, I have seen the light and seen the error of my ways, how could I have ever disagreed with the great, illustirous Mandard??
That still doesn't bring a solution to the situation.
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Why don't we just make a NEW board for the time being where we can discuss episode 2 and let the prequels deal with the TPM and the third movie?
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I've already discussed this with D-Ray, but he was unsatisfied and so I told him it was fine with me if he wanted to appeal to the Admins. But I also want to make sure that everyone knows the situation. Since the title announcement, I have closed or deleted about 40 threads that I deemed redundant. That's almost an entire page of threads. And this was with a clearly established policy of closing redundant threads that should have been known to most members. I do not want to imagine the chaos if I had made it known that everybody could post their own thread with their comments about the title if they so desired.
As it is, the furor is already starting to die down a little. I don't anticipate having to enforce the rule so strictly for much longer, but for now, unless the Admins overrule, the policy as stated at the top of the board will remain.
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Do you know why you see nothing wrong with it Skiff? Because you're right and so is Mandard.
The only reason D-Ray or other people want to start new threads on an existing topic is the same reason new threads on existing topics have ever been created... The poor people can't make their posts interesting enough that it stands out in the middle of a thread. They think they need to see their name on the main page and an entirely new thread to discuss the same thing that didn't make a damn bit of difference the first time they said it... But they think they've discovered something brilliant and are compelled to post a new thread. Mandard is doing his job, you are violating his policy. Mandard is the Moderator of that forum and thus establishes the policy minutia that keep it running. The Administrators here prize the rule of law over the spirit of it often times... They value saving face over doing what's right sometimes... But in this instance, Mandard is doing what's right. So do you honestly think you've got a shot at something you didn't even have a shot at if he was most likely wrong? If you want to post, post, but don't think that you're so special or that anyone is so special that their thoughts deserve a new thread to clutter up that board. If people want to discuss the title, or the trailer, or anything else they'll do it in a non-flooding capacity as dictated by the Moderator. Deal with it...
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Well in all reality the threads are only closed, not deleted. So people can still read the threads, they just can respond to them. I've been to other communities(outside of nightly) where moderators delete threads they don't like.
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D-Ray Kenobi
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You are the ones who arent making sense.
GK, if you had taken the time to go read the thread that I had started in the prequels forum, you would find that it wasn't "interesting enough that it stands out in the middle of a thread" because it was along the same lines, but went in another direction alltogether, and would have been ignored and you know it.
I thought it was an interesting discussion that didn't really belong within the bigger thread and deserved a thread of it's own, and others in my thread agree with me. As much as you'd like to believe it, I started it because it was an interesting thing that I would have liked seen talked about, not just to see my name on the board, or because I thought I was more special than anyone else.
I don't see the point in your attacking me, it doesn't make sense, because you don't know the whole story, now kindly keep your nose out of other people's buisness.
Brando, as for your post, I dont understand your logic either. If you want to use metaphors, I use this one..
Say that Bush, being the idiot that he is, had some sort of serious problem with something. He says, "well the constitution should handle it" when indeed it doesnt. So then an amendment is added to the constitution to settle it.
Problem solved.
I dont suggest adding onto the TOS, or the rules, but perhaps changing them to accomodate the certian change in discussion in the months to come, and I don't understand why you want to attack that suggestion.
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D-Ray Kenobi
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Here's an interesting scenario;
Say that this time next week, Lucas releases the trailer poster. Someone jumps the gun and posts a new topic about it, and it is the first and he or she includes a picture of it, and a copy of the official announcement about it.
Then after that they post thier own comments and thoughts about it. Therefore they have a thread of thier own, it becomes the official thread for discussion of it right? But the thread is mostly about their thoughts about it, and of course when everyone replies to it, they will either agree or disagree with thier thoughts.
Heck, the title of the thread might even be:
official teaser poster and my thoughts on it
Then what? Is that fair to the others? I'm fuzzy on that.
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Ok, first off I am behind Mandards decision 100%.
I have the perfect example of repeat threads, which ones Mandard is allowing and which ones he is closing.
The official title thread is there for you to express your opinions and thoughts on the title itself. If you want to say; "The title sucks...and this is why." or "The title is great...and this is why", that is the thread to do so.
If you have an original idea or theory based on the title then I would think that would be OK, because it is not about the title itself. Look at my thread titled "A different meaning to the word clone". My theory posted there were based off the title of the movie, but the thoughts expressed within are not about the title.
So if you want to post a theory or an idea and the title is the basis of your theory, then it is a thread about a theory and NOT about the title itself. But those are not the threads he closed, he closed ones where, as GK pointed out, people wanted to have their opinions stand out among the other opinions stated in the 8 page official thread.
Again as GK pointed out, some members feel that their opinion or statement is more important than anybody elses and they want to dedicate their thoughts to a seperate thread. If everybody did that there would be three pages of threads talking about nothing but the title of the movie. I mean look the official thread has over 300 posts, that would take up a lot of pages of title threads.
I hope I clearly stated that, I don't want any confusion on the ruling here.
Short version:
The official title thread is there for you to discuss the title itself, any jokes, comments, opinions, or changes you would have made to the title should be posted there.
If you have a new theory or idea that you want to discuss and it happens to mention the title of the movie, or you came up with a theory about how the clones will attack, then by all means start a thread about your theory. But comments on the title itself belong in the official thread.
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If Mandard is so busy taking taking care of all these threads, then he deserves a padawan assistant at the Prequels to help him. It's the only way to make the board more civilized in these days of heated discussions in the Prequels.
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As for Mandard being the one who started the official thread, he is intitled to do so. He was just trying to have one thread dedicated to the title because there would have been twenty threads posted in a matter of minutes if nobody saw the "official" thread.
To answer your question, say they do release the teaser poster tomorrow and you come to the prequels board and there are NO threads about it yet, you are the first person to post it. Then you start a thread titled "the Official teaser poster thread" I am sure it would be the one and only thread about it because Mandard would close any threads that would come after.
It is a popular opinion that who ever starts a thread is some how more important than the rest of the people who post in it. Just like the Select threads, every week people jump at the chance to be the one to post it first. I don't understand that logic at all, who cares who posts it first? Be happy you got to see it...that's my opinion anyway.
quote:Originally posted by Justice William Quinn: If Mandard is so busy taking taking care of all these threads, then he deserves a padawan assistant at the Prequels to help him. It's the only way to make the board more civilized in these days of heated discussions in the Prequels.
D-Ray Kenobi
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quote:Originally posted by Darth Palpatine: If you have a new theory or idea that you want to discuss and it happens to mention the title of the movie, or you came up with a theory about how the clones will attack, then by all means start a thread about your theory. But comments on the title itself belong in the official thread.
I totally agree.
My thread that I started talked about the very essense of Star Wars itself,...mostly about the retro styling of it. Yes, the announcement of the title inspired it, but it is not about the title itself, and yet it was closed because mandard believes that it IS about the title, when in reality it's not.
It's things like that that I would like advoided in the months to come.
Quinn has a good point too, perhaps an "apprentice" is needed.
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By the way, when is someone going to do something about this post here? I mean, I posted a thread like this 2 days before and that is like a rip off and is like the AotC posts. I was first, therefor, they should respect the rules.
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By the way, DP, why don't you come on sometime so we can chit chat about some things.
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And by the way, a Moderator(s) should be added to the Prequels to assist Mandard. I'm not insulting his leadership because he is a extremely intelligent guy but EPISODE II will bring alot of people in there and if you thought the Cantina was bad, wait and see the Prequels.
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I agree with Mandard Skiff, General Kenobi, and whoever else in favor of deleting the redundant threads. How many Episode II title threads do you want?
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There's a huge amount of people on this message board - can you imagine if they all wanted to chime in with their individual response to the title? It'd be chaos.
I think Mandard is totally right in his decision to delete title opinion threads. However, if you do have a new theory about the title, such as Darth Palpatine has instigated about the meaning of the word clone, it has led to an interesting and worthwhile conversation.
Five hundred people all saying one after the other what they like or don't like about the title is just silly - as is the notion of having a totally seperate board.
And for the record, Mandard is doing a bang up job in Prequels, and I don't think he needs any assistance. Anyone who suggests he does is, I believe (and I don't think I'm alone here) doing so to aid there own ambitions of becoming a moderator in a board that only needs one.
Although there will be an enormous flood of new information and discussion come trailer time, I think Mandard will have a pretty good hold on it as he has already shown.
quote:Originally posted by Darth Voodoo Tomato: And for the record, Mandard is doing a bang up job in Prequels, and I don't think he needs any assistance. Anyone who suggests he does is, I believe (and I don't think I'm alone here) doing so to aid there own ambitions of becoming a moderator in a board that only needs one.
OK Tomato, it was only a suggestion for when things REALLY pick up. You think that the first official teaser poster or trailer will be just a breeze? It won't. They will be alot worse than a simple title. And I wasn't saying that he needed assistance because he couldn't handle it. Mandard is a smart SOB and he knows what he's doing. But later on down the road, he'll need help and one or two moderators wouldn't be bad. Prequels is the busiest board on Nightly next to the Cantina and they have three mods, why not the Prequels?
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quote:Originally posted by Darth Voodoo Tomato: And for the record, Mandard is doing a bang up job in Prequels, and I don't think he needs any assistance. Anyone who suggests he does is, I believe (and I don't think I'm alone here) doing so to aid there own ambitions of becoming a moderator in a board that only needs one.
I haven't seen a problem either, but what I find interesting is why Prequels, which is the busiest forum at Nightly (26171 posts, as I write this) has only one moderator. While the second busiest, The Cantina (23493 posts) has three moderators. Not only that, but Mandard's also moderating Classic Trilogy which is fairly busy too.
I don't want to be a moderator here, I actually don't even think he needs help, he seems to do a fine job... I just find it interesting.. Mandard must not ever sleep or work.
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I haven't seen a problem either, but what I find interesting is why Prequels, which is the busiest forum at Nightly (26171 posts, as I write this) has only one moderator. While the second busiest, The Cantina (23493 posts) has three moderators.
That's actually not quite fair using those current numbers as both the Cantina and SWC just got pruned down to 15 pages or less. Mandard did his own pruning but I doubt it was on the same scale as the other two boards. I am not debating that Prequels is busy, just that your facts aren't quite up to par.
As for the redundant threads, I agree with Mandard. I try to keep them down on SWC but of course I can be alow a little bit more lee way as it is more of a community board.
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