Is anyone interested in starting a "Bible Forum" here at Nightly? I think that such a Forum here at Nightly would be a huge success! Here's what I have in mind:
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Right now, I am the "Most Active User" of an existing Bible Forum at www.studybibleforum.com (sponsored by Lockman). My User Name there is Nolan Keck and I have 3,045 posts. However, this Forum has absolutely NO MODERATOR and there are many disadvantages in that. I know very much about the Bible and Christianity, and my influence (and presence) could bring others to a Forum at Nightly if it was possible to start one here. I would also volunteer as a Moderator, if you have trouble finding a pastor or teacher of the Bible to take up such a task. But I am well liked at Lockman's site, even though I disagree with their policy of not having a Moderator.
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most people would probably say that a majority of the discussion could take place in the lyceum, which i disagree with, but you might get that. or if we have a Bible forum, what about the Koran or other religious things?
i also think it would be quite difficult to encompass many different denominations and theologies in this forum, although if you have enough people for each "faction" it'd probably work out fine.
just my thoughts. i might just check out that bible forum though.
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Thank you for your reply Master Yoga, you have brought up some good questions!
As for other religions that apply the Koran or other based work, we could always make sure that they are welcome to the Bible Nightly Forum, but we would always compare what they say to the Bible and what it says, since it will be a "Bible Forum." And if there is enough interest, I would not be opposed to a Nightly "Koran Forum." But a Bible Forum would draw interest from all sides, and those members (all members) would be welcome, but the Bible of course would be the main subject of focus for the "Nightly Bible Forum" that I am proposing.
As for the different Denominations, all the Denominations will be welcome, no matter what the classification is (Mormon, Evangelical, Catholic, Protestant, etc, etc..). However, the catch is: they present their discussions based on "Bible" topics. I believe that certain discussions/disagreements are going to be inevitable, but this can be handled by "proving" what they know by using the Bible. If a certain discussion gets out of hand (name calling, vicious attacks, etc, etc), then the Moderator has the choice to stop a thread from continuing. But of course, there is always the phrase "if you are a Christian, then act like one" that can be adhered to from time to time to keep certain members on track.
I believe that this could work, and that it would turn out to be a very positive thing for Nightly.net and bring a lot of people here that normally wouldn't come to Nightly.net.
Nolan Keck
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Would we be allowed to discuss other religious theologies in this forum as well? Perhaps ones which aren't necessarily biblicly related.
I have noticed that the Lyceum tends not to be as supportive as it could be towards certain theological discussions. However, personally I'd be more supportive of a religious forum where people of all denominations could discuss, compare and contrast their various religious ideas and beliefs. It would have to be very carefully moderated.
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I could PERHAPS see a forum dedicated to religious debate, but not one specifically geared towards the Bible alone.
I am a Christian myself, but I definitely think that having a forum only for the Bible is prejudiced (or whatever the applicable word is... its 2:35 AM and I drove 8 hours back from lousy Nebraska today). If we had one only for the Bible, we'd also have to have one for the Koran, the Bhagavad-Gita, and all other religious texts, as pointed out earlier.
Unfortunately, I think the reason the Lyceum is not exactly supportive of religious discussion is because it can get really heated. You're not just questioning people's opinions, but their beliefs.
If you would like some more people to come to that board Dark Lord, perhaps put a link to it in your sig?
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quote:Originally posted by DestinySkywalker: I could PERHAPS see a forum dedicated to religious debate, but not one specifically geared towards the Bible alone.
THAT would be a reasonable request! But limiting a forum to one specific religion would be driving members away, even if they never did particiüate in that forum. Just bad policy to single out one specific group!
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Nothing's wrong with church. Like I said, I'm a Christian but it's biased to have a forum only for the Bible. Religious discussion would be ok but I see it becoming a HUGE flame war. I've gotten into flame wars with people who are Christians but their view points are way different than mine.
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I agree with Destiny. It should be a Religion board open to discussions of all religious beliefs if anything. But as Master Yoga stated, I suspect the answer from the Admins will be to use the Lyceum for these types of discussions.
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I'm unclear on what the difference would be between this theoretical Religion forum and the Lyceum. Different members? Different moderators? Would religious discussions then be considered Off-Topic in the Lyceum (and the Cantina, I guess, for that matter)? Would the Lyceum then be confined only to purely philosophical yet non-religious threads?
It sounds like everyone wants a forum just like the Lyceum, only, like, um, y'know, totally different! Or something.
Feel free to correct me, of course.
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I wanted to bring a "Bible based board" to Nightly, much like the one at studybibleforum.com but with a Moderator at the center of things.. I am not advertising the other site, I just wanted to propose a "Bible board" on Nightly.
I appreciate your replys and concerns, but I see that my 'vision' or dream for such a board at Nightly is not a popular idea.. I realize that there are many "obstacles" and things to work out with such a board, but I believe that these can all be managed and worked out in a way that Nightly would be proud of.
I had to at least give it a shot, regardless of how the proposal was received.
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I agreee with Destiny, Six and Master Yoga.
quote: but I see that my 'vision' or dream for such a board at Nightly is not a popular idea.. I realize that there are many "obstacles"
It's not that it isn't popular. It's that it really would not be 'fair' to other religions. We do have several non-christian members here and your board idea would be excluding them.
quote:we could always make sure that they are welcome to the Bible Nightly Forum, but we would always compare what they say to the Bible and what it says,
Nice that you'd welcome them. However maybe they'd just like to discuss their main book/ideas and not have it compared to the bible. That'd be like having a Pagan board, letting you talk about the bible, and then telling you how it compares and/or is wrong with their beliefs.
A central religious board would be better. But like Six pointed out, what then becomes of the lyceum?
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One could argue that having a Bible forum but not (random example) a Talmud forum would be no different than, say, having a Star Trek forum but not a Babylon 5 forum.
Just don't expect me to be the one to make the argument. I've played Devil's Advocate before, but I'm not in the mood right now to have dozens of people from all sides trying to run me out of town on a rail.
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Good Point Six. And when B5 has been around for 30 years; has 9 movies in the can with number 10 on the way; an animated series; five tv series; books, comics, action figures, toys, etc too numerous to mention; and it's own ride, we'll give B5 it's own board.
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The advantage of a Bible forum would be so that it would clearly focus on the Bible and keep posters at Nightly (not like we're really going anywhere), but also to exchange ideas with a smaller amount of flaming that goes on in the Lyceum.
Just by looking in the Lyceum, you can clearly see a strong anti-God view, escpecially from the view point of a Christian. It seems that most other creeds aren't flamed nearly as bad, with the exception of Fundamental Islamic sects due to the destruction of the WTC and damage tot he Pentagon.
However, like stated I feel we would probably see another flame war between Protestants and Catholics if it was focused on the Bible.
If there was a change to take place in the Lyceum, I would say to change Technology to Science & Technology, and make the Lyceum into a Political/Philosophical/Psychological/Theological/Spiritual forum. That way you can go from no beliefs (Scientism which is a philosophy, to Oriental/Occidental and New Age beliefs). Hopefully, it would be civil, but I tend to doubt that (looking from a pessimistic view, since I've seen bashings of Christ in a "sexual pose" to some mimicing that they are God and Jesus is their Son, to somethings that resemble or flat out mocking believers). We still have the Lyceum, but it seems to be an athiest/agnostic/Deist playground.
My suggestion. If you really want to find answers, check some websites that you can either ask a Priest, Apologist or Minister etc...
For Biblical Apologists that have no specific denomination (froma range of Catholics, Protestants -Calvinists, Lutheran, Knoxians etc...- NeoPlatonists,- Athiests etc...) try apologetics.com They discuss God, The Bible, Science, Ethics, Religion and other beliefs.
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Look, I'm a catholic and yeah it could be good, but if you make a Bible forum, you'd have to make one for every religion. It would turn into a big arguement and I don't think Nightly, would want that.
But i think it could be a good idea. I'm not trying to slate your idea.
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Can we also have a non-bible forum then? After all, following Silky's arguments about ST and B5, the majority of ppl on this planet are NOT Christians!!!
SO THERE!
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quote:Originally posted by DestinySkywalker: Nothing's wrong with church.
No no...you miss my point. I don't think a 'bible' forum is at all appropriate....ever noticed how any thread about religion in the Cantina always winds up being a huge fight?
What I was trying to say was that if you want religion, go to church...not a message board.
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Although I consider myself a true believer, I don't think it is appropriate because then we should have one for Muslims, and Jews, and Hindu scriptures, etceteras, etceteras. etceteras!
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Thanks for the suggestion, but I’m not sure how well a Bible forum would work here. Several people have brought up the issue of being fair to all religions, which is a valid point. But my main concern is that religion topics are already part of the Lyceum and it seems a big reason behind a separate Bible forum is so people won’t have to deal with all the other members who don’t have favorable opinions of Christianity and the Bible. This is understandable, but I don’t see why a Bible forum (or any religion forum) would be any better. It would be nice if we could have a board where people wouldn’t argue or get offended or get upset in discussions about religious beliefs, but in reality, that’s usually not how things work. And I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling a mod to keep out non-Christians or anybody who wanted to express differing views just to try and keep the peace.
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I am ALL for a Bible Forum here at Nightly. That would be a great forum and I, for one, would definatly frequent it.
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quote:Originally posted by Mandard: Thanks for the suggestion, but I’m not sure how well a Bible forum would work here. Several people have brought up the issue of being fair to all religions, which is a valid point. But my main concern is that religion topics are already part of the Lyceum and it seems a big reason behind a separate Bible forum is so people won’t have to deal with all the other members who don’t have favorable opinions of Christianity and the Bible. This is understandable, but I don’t see why a Bible forum (or any religion forum) would be any better. It would be nice if we could have a board where people wouldn’t argue or get offended or get upset in discussions about religious beliefs, but in reality, that’s usually not how things work. And I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling a mod to keep out non-Christians or anybody who wanted to express differing views just to try and keep the peace.
Hmm, valid points.
The only idea I would have other than asking non-Christians to leave or close their topics, would be to let them post their opinions as long as it wasn't as flamming as the Lyceum is, or maybe let the author of a topic decide whether non-Christians can chime in or not. I guess that would be kinda discriminating them as far as that goes.
Well, it was a great idea.
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Ah, but the problem is that "posting an opinion" to one person is "flaming" to another. This is especially true in religion threads, where it's very common for somebody to feel attacked when their beliefs are challenged and questioned, even if no harm was intended.
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quote:Originally posted by Mandard: Ah, but the problem is that "posting an opinion" to one person is "flaming" to another. This is especially true in religion threads, where it's very common for somebody to feel attacked when their beliefs are challenged and questioned, even if no harm was intended.
Yeah, which is the reason I usually stay away from Religious debates such as sometimes go on in the Lyceum.
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i agree it was a pretty good idea. but this community especially, because of its broad base and range of members is more like real-life that one might think. the problems discussed above can be correlated to problems often found in discussion of conflicting religious views in real life. thus one person's opinion is flaming etc...becomes a very real problem.
i agree the lyceum is a very anti-God forum, but then again so are many people in real life...
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quote:Originally posted by Master Yo-Gurt: Can we also have a non-bible forum then? After all, following Silky's arguments about ST and B5, the majority of ppl on this planet are NOT Christians!!!
SO THERE!
I wasn't saying majority of the people on this planet are Christians, I said, that you would have to make a forum for every religion. Do you want that? Is nightly prepared to gibve up there space for that?
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