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Okay I'm going to stop reading this thread right where this paragraph left off:
quote: can't believe you really worded your judgment based on how many titles a series has. FF received its own forum because the games were of great quality, large and constantly progressing with new content and continuing stories. Halo has alone earned more than that respect of being persistently new and fresh each time the game is played.
First of all, my love of FF aside, but it's comments like this that make your proposition hard to swallow for everybody else. To say that Halo(just the one game) has 'earned more than that respect' og an entire franchise is just insane. Halo is a wonderful game. Top notch all the way I'm sure. But to say that it, by itself, has more respect then every Final Fantasy game combined is one of the least thought out things I've ever heard on these boards. Final Fantasy is respected by nearly all types of gamers, from all systems. I really don't think Halo has that appeal. And even if it did, it would need more than 2 games for a board of it's own.
Now onto replying to the rest of this, Halo may very well someday deserve its own forum. But not yet. Grand Theft Auto has a huge following as well, probably a bigger following even. And it has more games to it's credit, and a better overall experience with each playthrough, than Halo... but nobody is clamoring for a Grand Theft Auto forum. Why not? Because it's not needed. It can coexist in the Video Game forum, and so can Halo.
Final Fantasy only got it's own board, not because the number of games or because of the games quality. But because the discussions in the Video Game board were so great that it was pushing many other non-FF topics to the side and had to be given it's own space. The original FF thread in there was 4,000 posts long or so and growing by the day. Many other topics sprung up in the forum as well. And the FF thread in Feedback was also extremely large, and took months of support before the administration caved in.
So I would say just to give it some time. Maybe if there are 4 or 5 games total, with the idea of making a new one every couple years. But right now, I just don't think there is enough.
quote:Originally posted by mattacus: Regardless of any original impetus behind the establishment of Nightly.net, its functional purpose is the support of fans. If enough Dallas fans showed up, would they be granted their own forum? Or is their something which supercedes Nightly's prime function that prohibits the creation of a forum for a large enough body of fans?
Favoritism, or perhaps pride. We have enough to start a decent forum. The delay is powered by excuses.
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quote:Originally posted by Sinister Lord Degiya'goh: I'd probably give Tomb Raider its own forum first.
You seem to be missing a key point--the existence of forums on this board isn't a question of 'what's my favorite?' If that were the case, I'd be petitioning for an Old School Metroid or an Old School Ninja Gaiden forum.
We're asking for this forum on the basis of a massive amount of fan interest and discussion and a desire to be given organization and maybe a little freedom by the administrators.
Yet if there are any more people who feel like giving a shout out to their favorite games of yore, feel free--just be aware that by doing so you aren't contributing to a resolution of the current conflict.
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quote:Originally posted by mattacus: Regardless of any original impetus behind the establishment of Nightly.net, its functional purpose is the support of fans. If enough Dallas fans showed up, would they be granted their own forum? Or is their something which supercedes Nightly's prime function that prohibits the creation of a forum for a large enough body of fans?
Favoritism, or perhaps pride. We have enough to start a decent forum. The delay is powered by excuses.
ok dude, seriously, cut the "Favoriteism" BS
the admins have no favoritism, and if you had bothered to read, it takes MONTHS for admins to give in & give people new forums
heck, there's a misc forum thread here in the feedback area that's been around since well in early June
so quit with the BS, and bring up VALID reasons to give you your own forum, other than It's good enough for it, because that reason will only go so far.
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I just though I'd point out that for the most part, Nightly is a democracy
if there is enough demand for something, the admins will do their best to fill that need
but if only 20 some people want their own forum that could easily fit under an existing topic (video games), it may not happen
quote:Originally posted by Brock Sampson Kills: SLD (this is your old buddy Sic Sith Lord by the way), please take an opportunity to read my posts here and I'm certain you'll see some validity in my point...
Nice to see you again, SSL. I did read your posts, and I looked to see what the current situation is like in the Video Games forum, but I'm afraid I just don't see a huge need for a new forum.
Like others have said, if that one thread gets to 80 pages long, maybe it should be split/broken into some separate "official" threads (discussing different aspects of the game). Those threads could be established and break up the discussion into more organized elements within the Video Games forum. But I think the solution to the problem should be arrived at right there in that forum, rather than creating a new forum.
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Then why do we continue to compare Halo by its number of released titles? It has nothing to do with how many names the company throws.
Mattacus had the head-shot. The fans make up for your lack of multiple Halo titles. And as I stated previously, the Halo universe in story and play is deep enough to attract more members if we had our own forum sect.
I use the term of "picking favorites" because of replies like the one Sinister had:
quote:Originally posted by Sinister Lord Degiya'goh: Whatever the case, this is the first I've ever heard of Halo, so I think some more time needs to pass before devoting whole forums to it. I'd probably give Tomb Raider its own forum first.
Maybe not the idea of being favorite, but we all know who Tomb Raider is. It seems to be more of a popularity issue. TR is a classic known title that gained status in older years. Now a days, no one cares for it, but of course everyone knows of it. The title has been rung dry.
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You just proved our point. Tomb Raider was big in it's day.. but now nobody cares. How long will it be before Halos premise runs dry and suffers the same fate? It may not ever do that.. but it very well could, like the vast majority of games that preceeded it.
Final Fantasy is one of the few true game SERIES. It's the James Bond of video games...it is constantly being produced with a fanbase all it's own.. which is why it has it's own forum. Halo is a great game TITLE.. but is it a series? Is there really going to be a Halo 12? I don't know about that. So if it were to suffer that fate, then why create a forum for a game that may only last so long.
quote:The fans make up for your lack of multiple Halo titles. And as I stated previously, the Halo universe in story and play is deep enough to attract more members if we had our own forum sect.
No it doesn't. Fans only do so much, but keep in mind, all the halo discussions have been pretty much thrived in the VG forum
if you had a bunch of halo threads, but they were kept down because of endless discussions of other topics in the VG thread, and had very low responses BECAUSE of the conditions of the video game forum, then you might have an argument
at this point, other than Brocks reply that mori demanded that all halo 2 INFO be kept to that one thread, there is no real reason to get an entire forum dedicated to halo
notice I said info. You guys can make a thread on the story & the ties into other bungie games, and I'm pretty sure mori won't mind. heck, he'd probably welcome it, the vg forum itself is getting pretty slow traffic :/
if he shuts them down, then I'll take a mea culpa, or whatever you guys are afraid of, for you.
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quote:the Halo universe in story and play is deep enough to attract more members if we had our own forum sect.
how would having your own forum make more people come?
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quote:Originally posted by Ryo Ishikawa: Now a days, no one cares for it
No one? Hmmm, call me crazy, but I think Angelina Jolie is very hot as Lara Croft. If she did another Tomb Raider movie, I would go see it in a heartbeat. And I still play the game sometimes too.
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quote:Originally posted by TuskenRaider: You just proved our point. Tomb Raider was big in it's day.. but now nobody cares. How long will it be before Halos premise runs dry and suffers the same fate?
The original has not lost its glory as of yet.
quote:It may not ever do that.. but it very well could, like the vast majority of games that preceeded it.
I suppose it's a point of view. Halo has potential that is constantly explored and opened. This is what creates the fanbase it has.
quote:Final Fantasy is one of the few true game SERIES. It's the James Bond of video games...it is constantly being produced with a fanbase all it's own..
Halo's quality is what brings the fans. As does the excellence of the FF series does to produce its fans. But Halo is not a series.
quote:which is why it has it's own forum. Halo is a great game TITLE.. but is it a series?
I don't know who labeled the idea a series was necessary to generate a worthy fanbase.
quote:Is there really going to be a Halo 12? I don't know about that. So if it were to suffer that fate, then why create a forum for a game that may only last so long.
Halo 12? The game is as good as it gets with H2. It most certainly could die, but present players on Nightly say anything but.
We haven't tried it yet. I don't know if that would happen either.
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I didn't say that it has to be a series to have a worthy fanbase.. but say a board WAS made.. what would you do? Talk about the same 2 games for 3 or 4 years? Without new titles, the discussion becomes stagnet and for a forum, stagnet discussion is the kiss of death. You need new material to keep discussions up.
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ok, look, there is only so much that can be talked about in halo & halo 2 before you run out of things to say & it just decends into a "I made such & such kills yestarday in live. Yhea" forum.
You can talk about the story, the music, how great the graphics are, easter eggs, tricks with the weapons, and new downloads all you want, but when will you start to run out of things to talk about?
how many people do you see exploring things like the plots in the video game forums?
how many people praising aspects of halo in multiple threads?
if it was to become so popular that it filled up most of the video game forum & stayed that way, it may be worty of its own forum
but as I see it, you could probably only make 4... maybe 5 threads that may have a lot of info
a news thread (pre-launch) a tips thread a story thread a music thread
that's pretty much all I see happening
while I love halo & wait fervently for Halo 2, I just don't see a need for it's very own forum
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quote:Originally posted by TuskenRaider: I didn't say that it has to be a series to have a worthy fanbase.. but say a board WAS made.. what would you do?
* LIVE/clan topics
* Glitches/Tricks of the trade - online and offline
* Upcoming tournaments and events
* Story discussion
* That off-topic sticky everyone loves.
Sub topics flow from those. I'm sure I've even missed a few important ones. If each of these subjects received enough attention on a daily basis, it would entice several other people to join. That content alone is plenty to make a great launch.
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I've given just about everything I can to this debate. Nightly is unlike other official forums - choking with unnecessary topics from mindlessly excited fans. If you are people of numbers, perhaps the only real way to make an impact is not to spam the videogame forum with useless threads, but to show you that Halo really is worthy of its own forum in such a reputable location by bringing you the people.
I'll presume everyone knows where I stand at. I will apply more on this in the future.
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quote:Originally posted by Ryo Ishikawa: I've given just about everything I can to this debate. Nightly is unlike other official forums - choking with unnecessary topics from mindlessly excited fans. If you are people of numbers, perhaps the only real way to make an impact is not to spam the videogame forum with useless threads, but to show you that Halo really is worthy of its own forum in such a reputable location by bringing you the people.
I'll presume everyone knows where I stand at. I will apply more on this in the future.
that's exactly what we're asking for
well, that, and why you believe that adding a Halo forum will have a long lasting effect on Nightly
the main thing standing against a Halo forum is that after about a year, there'd be nothing to talk about
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quote:Originally posted by TuskenRaider: I didn't say that it has to be a series to have a worthy fanbase.. but say a board WAS made.. what would you do? Talk about the same 2 games for 3 or 4 years? Without new titles, the discussion becomes stagnet and for a forum, stagnet discussion is the kiss of death. You need new material to keep discussions up.
Well, I have no doubts that there will be a lot more than 2 Halo games, and there is a LOT to talk about between Halo and Halo 2, yet Halo 2 isn't even out yet.
If the PS3 is so incredibly superior to the Xbox 360 in game quality, game quantity, game breadth, game visuals, depth of the digital entertainment experience and price, God bless them.
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And we're not just talking about any game here. We're talking about Game of the Year with the first game and most likely Game of the Year with its second, and that's a feat I haven't seen from a franchise in quite some time, probably since Zelda.
If the PS3 is so incredibly superior to the Xbox 360 in game quality, game quantity, game breadth, game visuals, depth of the digital entertainment experience and price, God bless them.
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Well I think Brock made a legitimate case, with his opening post, so won't comment on what I think but leave it to the devices of the admins. I will say however, that talking about the game's acheivements and awards won't do any good here. They impress fellow gamers, yeah, but awards have little to do with what gets a forum made here, so I'm betting they could care less.
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I have no idea what the decision of whether or not Halo gets its own thread will be based on, but I didn't think it would hurt to point out how important of a game Halo is and Halo 2 will be to the gaming community.
Brock specifically pm'd me and asked if I could check out this thread and support the cause of Halo having its own thread. I think the importance of Halo in the gaming scene is very relevant.
And I just didn't mention ANY award, I mentioned the fact that Halo was Game of the Year and to this day the best game on the Xbox, and I feel Halo 2 is going to far exceed the game. I just feel it's significant enough to mention, particularly because in all of my years it's been quite some time since I've seen a franchise get back to back GotY awards. Whether or not this tells the administrators anything, or whether or not they feel this is a significant point, I couldn't tell you, but I felt it couldn't hurt to mention it. Although, it isn't as if I went on a rant about the awards or anything, that really isn't necessary, but...
If the PS3 is so incredibly superior to the Xbox 360 in game quality, game quantity, game breadth, game visuals, depth of the digital entertainment experience and price, God bless them.
quote:Originally posted by TuskenRaider: I didn't say that it has to be a series to have a worthy fanbase.. but say a board WAS made.. what would you do? Talk about the same 2 games for 3 or 4 years? Without new titles, the discussion becomes stagnet and for a forum, stagnet discussion is the kiss of death. You need new material to keep discussions up.
I don't know why you care so much about our request since you obviously love FF so much. Why don't you just go back to your forum and quit hating on our request? You're not involved with any Halo discussions or threads so your opinion doesn't matter since you wouldn't contribute to a Halo forum or thread. What does matter are the people requesting and actively involved in Halo threads, and the admins and moderators.
I think the fact that people are shooting down the Halo forum idea because they think it will die down is a ridiculous excuse. If the past is any indication, Halo came out in 2001 and it still generates tons of discussion in many forums across the internet. There will be new material to discuss because Bungie has promised downloadable content which could radically change the game. Evidence of this is the Ninja Gaiden Hurricane Pack Volume 1 which changed the gameplay and controls of the game in order to make it more difficult and keep it interesting. This is by a develper named Team Ninja, which Microsoft doesn't even own. Now imagine what kind of download content will be availalbe for Microsoft's "Baby" Bungie.
I recently joined nightly.net because of the Halo thread. Since then, I've participated in many other forums such as the movies, television, and sports forums. I've also joined the Halo 2 clan nightly netforce. At the time I joined last month, the thread was about 8 pages long. Since then I've known of many other people interested in joining the nightly community because of the Halo thread, but have not done so because a 25 page thread is pretty intimidating and isn't inviting to people who haven't read all 25 pages to catch up on information.
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And I'd like to point out that usually a game such as Zelda would warrent its own forum, BUT the franchise isn't discussed at these boards nearly as much as Halo or Final Fantasy. I think the popularity of Halo and Final Fantasy may come from the fact that a lot of people at these boards are interested in science fiction stuff, particularly futuristic stories involving outer space and the like.
Just a thought.
quote:Originally posted by Lord Malice: The one thread we have going in the VG forum is fine. I don't see a discussion evolving much beyond that. How many members are currently participating in that thread? Ten or fifteen? That's certainly not enough traffic to warrant it's own board.
There are currently 20 members in the last two pages of the Halo thread, I couldn't be bothered by looking beyond the last two pages of the thread and I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% (if not more) of the latest members here all had their first post in that thread. There is no way I could know this for sure, but I bet the administrators could find out.
quote: I didn't say that it has to be a series to have a worthy fanbase.. but say a board WAS made.. what would you do? Talk about the same 2 games for 3 or 4 years? Without new titles, the discussion becomes stagnet and for a forum, stagnet discussion is the kiss of death. You need new material to keep discussions up.
Tusken, you'd be surprised as to how much can be talked about in this game. Both games emphasize on multiplayer as well as single player, and now that Final Fantasy as a franchise emphasizes on both, I don't think there is an FF game out that does so.
There is a ton of stuff to talk about in Halo 2 as it is, and the game still has 3 months to go before its release, not to mention the developers have been VERY tight lipped about anything on the single player, and even multiplayer.
If the PS3 is so incredibly superior to the Xbox 360 in game quality, game quantity, game breadth, game visuals, depth of the digital entertainment experience and price, God bless them.
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