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In response to the closing of two threads on the Star Wars forums...
Although I can understand why THIS THREAD was closed, Ming746 made a good point. Admins should not close a thread simply because they do not like it.
This was the reason given for closing THIS THREAD :
quote:Originally posted by Exodus: This thread displeases me. And bores me.
That is a little bit over the line.
Admittedly I didn't plan on posting anything else on that thread, but I can't figure out why it was closed. It was still pretty much on topic. If you look at the people involved in the discussion, Ming746 has just registered and Sevb27 doesn't have too many posts.
If they want to duke it out so be it. The rest of us can ignore it. The amount of Star Wars stuff to discuss is clearly reaching an end and Nightly should be open about allowing discussions as long as they stay on topic.
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Many threads turn into the same thing - one set of people (prequel haters or likers) bashing the other.
Okay maybe not every thread...and you'll notice that the ones that don't become such end up staying open.
The thing about this thread being closed is that my remark had nothing directly to do with the closing of the thread. The topic starter, Sevb27, sent me the following PM:
quote:Could you close my "Questions for Bashers" thread? It's not getting anywhere. Just another "It sucks-No it doesn't-yes it does" Endless back and forth predictable infantile nonesense. Most of the questions I asked never got answered directly and specifically anyway.
In regards to the back and forth arguing, I agreed with him. Granted if he had read around then he could have expected such responses, and I could have left it open for that reason, but honestly there's enough of that going on already. And on that topic, I'm pretty sure I've got the support of other mods and some admins here on the direction that many of the threads in SWS have been taking lately with bickering and flaming as opposed to mature discussion and debate. If not, then I'm wrong. But I really don't see the trouble in closing down a thread here and there when there are several clones within the same forum where a decent enough topic is started and it turns into something else entirely...that something else being a line drawn in the sand with a pack of trolls on each side throwing stones at each other. And pardon me if the troll reference bothers anyone, but that's how I feel about people getting their panties in so much of a wad over somebody not seeing things from their point of view as to start name-calling and whatnot.
Hopefully that clears things up a little bit. You have to understand that we can't necessarily let everyone "duke it out" because part of our job as mods/admins is to stop the proverbial duking it out and try to prevent it altogether.
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quote:If they want to duke it out so be it. The rest of us can ignore it. The amount of Star Wars stuff to discuss is clearly reaching an end and Nightly should be open about allowing discussions as long as they stay on topic.
So in other words when a certain forum degrades in the amount of traffic it used to receive, we should leave everything open even if its nothing but mindless flaming just to keep up appearances? Can't say I agree with that line of logic. Its quite simple; if the discussion is meaningful the thread will stay open. Debating is commonplace, so that's fine. When it comes down to nothing more than a shouting match of "'Prequels suck!' 'OMG you suck Prequles rule!!'" then I personally see no use for it. I'm interested in quality here, not quantity.
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you closed a thread of mine in computers and internet... I know what your saying about the explination... but there are threads about kazaa and other music services such as that.. there are many people that are going thru the courts with things like this now.. why are those threads not closed?
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They're going through courts and stuff, but unless I'm mistaken, the simple act of downloading and using a P2P software program isn't illegal. All the same, the art of emulation itself isn't illegal, however as your thread made specific mention of emulators for Nintendo games...speaking in specifics like that, that's pretty cut and dry illegal.
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It would depend on what it is. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Sega, etc, any discussion or links to places which offer emulators for their consoles or games aren't allowed.
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It may be my opinion, but I have found most often a mod or admin closes a thread when they are on the losing end of an argument.
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Can we have a Grudge Match forum as a place to move these kinds of petty back-and-forth threads?
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But yours was a Non-Grudge Match with one Chatham. You could have come in there and RP-ingly knocked him upside his head, but you didn't you you, you, you signature-less beast!
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Every time I put in a signature, it involves me getting banned. You know we can no longer have that, right?
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Why not? I've never had the pleasurable experience of such outcasting. I just deal with that while I'm online.
Put a swastika in your sig. That riles them up pretty good which is silly if you know anything about its history. They automatically equate it with the Nazis of Hitler which in itself is silly (their decision) especially if you're a historian. Either way, a witty little line is almost a must for a sig Dest. Then again, we turn sigs off like we can turn avatars off.
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Yes, this is true. I also remember the time I posted a swastika to prove a point. It was known I was making a point so it was kept up until I removed it. But, yes a swastika does have other meanings besides to well known natzi symbol.
The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.
During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:
China - wan England - fylfot Germany - Hakenkreuz Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion India - swastika Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika. The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
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Meh. As the person that has banned others for swastika flashing-- All the history of the swastika doesn't matter when you post the Nazi version of it, and are purposefully doing it to illicet a reaction from people.
I know the history of the swastika just fine, but if you post a nazi flag just to piss people off you are hardly honoring the traditon of an ancient symbol-- you're just being a total ass.
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What makes it a "Nazi" version? A swastika is a swastika, IMO. It's the viewers responsibility to view it whatever way they do. The ignorant of most would result it to being a nazi Posts: 8102 | From: Newcastle, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2004
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Krawlie got rid of that thread because it was pointless, not because it had a swastika.
quote:Originally posted by DESTINY : Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
And what the heck do you think the Nazis meant with it? The "not much fun in Stalingrad" symbol?
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quote:Originally posted by DESTINY : What makes it a "Nazi" version? A swastika is a swastika, IMO. It's the viewers responsibility to view it whatever way they do. The ignorant of most would result it to being a nazi
Give me a break. Every time a swastika shows up on this site it is from an attention seeking wanna-be martyr that is mad they were edited or banned. If you seriously expect anyone to believe that in this context the use of a swastika is implying anything other than facism, you're a moron.
If you don't see, understand or comprehend the usage, intent, and context of THIS vs. THIS then you are gibberish spouting retard that should be removed from the gene pool as soon as possible.
HISTORY OF SWASTIKA is the lamest argument in the history of trying to play off one's actions.
The truth is Destiny, I know you're just being coy and rattling my cage and you're not really that much of a morally defunct myopic assbag idiot. Well, you ARE-- but not in this case.
Yes I flamed. yes I derailed. Yes I accept a temp ban for such actions.
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quote:Originally posted by DESTINY : Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
And what the heck do you think the Nazis meant with it? The "not much fun in Stalingrad" symbol?
Well duh! They were just evil about it.
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quote:Originally posted by DESTINY : What makes it a "Nazi" version? A swastika is a swastika, IMO. It's the viewers responsibility to view it whatever way they do. The ignorant of most would result it to being a nazi
Give me a break. Every time a swastika shows up on this site it is from an attention seeking wanna-be martyr that is mad they were edited or banned. If you seriously expect anyone to believe that in this context the use of a swastika is implying anything other than facism, you're a moron.
If you don't see, understand or comprehend the usage, intent, and context of THIS vs. THIS then you are gibberish spouting retard that should be removed from the gene pool as soon as possible.
HISTORY OF SWASTIKA is the lamest argument in the history of trying to play off one's actions.
The truth is Destiny, I know you're just being coy and rattling my cage and you're not really that much of a morally defunct myopic assbag idiot. Well, you ARE-- but not in this case.
Yes I flamed. yes I derailed. Yes I accept a temp ban for such actions.
Well, I guess we will never see things eye to eye. But, that's OK. As far as you being temp ban, it will never happen. You know that, I know that, hell the whole damn board knows that, why? Simple, because you are the almighty Tank, and I am the “bigot” , “ultra-Conservative” freak, who no one gives a ****, DESTINY. Am I right?
And, for as this topic, I was not trying to rattle anyone but joke around with Primbud.
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One last think to say to you Tank. I was hopping you could see past my political and religious beliefs and remain wrastlin chums. I look past it.
Come on, how about a hug? Don't fret, come Tank, come. *offers hug*
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If you are pissed your thread was snipped, and you think the mods are fascists, and you post a Nazi flag to illustrate your point, and then you hide behind "swastika's used to be good! you're ignorant!" you are just brainless.
I said I was derailing-- but i really am not. I know you and Prim are just talking smack-- but the truth of the matter is, you DID post a swastika after Jacob got rid of a thread. And you got banned for it. And it had nothing to do with the history of the swastika. You wanted to saw THE MODS ARE POWER MONGERS LIKE NAZIS!
Believe it or not, and this is to everyone, being a mod isn't that easy. As a former member of the administration of this site it is genuinely a hard job to constantly balance the rrules when people who are amazingly childish, are also very smart about dodging guidelines. The fact is, most people who post here, myself included, are childish to an extent and allow their buttons to be pushed, and feel then need to push back.
On the rare occasion an admin or mod has closed a thread simply for not liking it, it was still plenty justified by extenuating circumstances. Everyone here in a positiion of authority was chosen with reason, and most actions are talked about in the mod forum.
People always cry fascist when their offensive jibe was removed before their intended audience saw it.
At this point though Destiny, you are either goading me into ffurther argument, or you really have some scary view of the universe. Either way, I've invested enough of my time on this for the day.
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quote:Originally posted by Exodus: Hopefully that clears things up a little bit. You have to understand that we can't necessarily let everyone "duke it out" because part of our job as mods/admins is to stop the proverbial duking it out and try to prevent it altogether.
Maybe you guys can be more specific regarding the reasons a seemingly on-topic thread is closed as opposed to "This thread bores me. And disappoints me."
Obviously the rest of us are not privy to PMs requesting that a thread be shut down. A simple "Shut down at the request of the topic starter" or some explanation like, "This thread has been closed due to the repetitive nature of the topic/posts" would suffice. Then you could post a link to a similar thread if the folks involved wish to continue the discussion.
Regardless, a mod's personal opinion alone should not dictate the closing of a thread.
Giving a clear explanation could even reduce or stop such threads from forming.
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quote:Originally posted by Primbud: Put a swastika in your sig. That riles them up pretty good...
Trying to invoke the swastika for sarcastic, satirical, ironic, or analogizing purposes on any Internet message board where other members (let alone the staffers) have seen years and years and YEARS' worth of swastika-motif satire/parody/spoofery is the Internet equivalent of wearing a "KICK ME" sign on your back to a party, constantly pointing at it, and yelling to the other partygoers, "Isn't it funny? Huh? Huh? IT'S FUNNY!"
We get the joke. Every time. We've seen the joke. We've seen it many times. We've seen it done funnier. We've seen it done by guys with mad Photoshop skillz, and we've seen it done by guys who still have to consult the "Help" section on their MS Paint toolbar. We've even seen it done by members who later became Mods, and vice versa. When we see a swastika posted in contexts like those discussed above, it's taken as a signal that he who invokes it -- motive irrelevant -- has reached the end of his creative rope and has nothing left to offer us. At all. And I mean "his" because it's never a female member. Make of that what you will.
Short version of this post for the impaired of any variety: when Primbud says "riles them up", the more accurate predicate is "makes their eyes roll hard enough to sprain their optic nerves."
(P.S.: Tank, your ten-minute temp ban is up. You're free to go. But DON'T DO IT AGAIN till next time.)
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As I said though Feral, my opinion did not dictate the closing of that thread. What did dictate the closing of that thread was the fact that it had turned into another flame-fest and because the author of the thread himself asked me to close it. I said what I felt about the thread, but left it open in hopes that it could be swayed another direction than the one it was set for. It wasn't much later that the topic creator asked me to close it.
Although it may have seemed on topic to you, I found it (at the time of my comment and before the closing) to be another tired rehash of flames and barbs. The following day, an admin agreed with me when thread closings came into question. And maybe I'd call my own comment into question myself or even expect it from others if not for the fact that it came following the deterioration of yet another thread. In that respect, that thread did displease me as the forums mod for having deteriotrated so much. And because of the frequency of such an occurance, it bored me to see it yet again.
I figured, though in hindsight perhaps I shouldn't have, that most people would understand why the thread in question got closed down when they saw this the next day. The second post in that thread by Jason Solo delivers the message perfectly.
I do thank you though, Darth Feral, for caring enough to state your mind. It's too bad that so many people sink to such a level as to prompt these reactions from mods and admins instead of leaving feedback regarding such matters as you have. If people reported that type of stuff instead of joining in and doing it as well, even if in defense, then many of these thread closings wouldn't be an issue because these thread(s) wouldn't have to be closed.
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I may be a little off-base here, but I'm sure that there are many other symbols out there that "represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck" that also didn't happen to be used by a man/army/nation that was responsible for millions of death, not to mention an attempted genocide based on religion.
Wut Da ****, I'm totally on-base... Next time, choose something that you don't have to go to a White Power Hate Group site in order to find justification for your use.
Just feel lucky that this apparently occurred in Lando. Most any other place, and you wouldn't be given the opportunity to discuss it.
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I figured this thread was so off course that saying something like that might do 1 of 2 things. 