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I'm always happy to hear what people have to say but I like to have these threads in Feedback where they don't distract from the rest of the board.
I invite everyone to come, share your opinions and sing songs around the campfire.
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That used to really annoy me too when I first started coming here. I would come to the feedback page and 12 of the 15 posts on the first page would be closed. But then I realized that what was happening was that random people were chiming in where it wasn't needed, making jokes and whatnot, and it was clogging up the relevant question and answers. I was one of the biggest offenders, by the way. But slowly I realized that the feedback forum is not like any other forum on Nightly, it is not a place to chum around and make jokes except in very rare cases. It's a place for feedback, questions, and answers.
So I think more feedback threads would remain open if they remained on topic.
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quote:Originally posted by son of lucas: Okay. My feedback is that you guys should stop closing so many threads in feedback
Ditto this.
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Understandable Mandard, I may not have posted this in the right board, but my reasoning was just that it was in Cantina so I didn't think to post it anywhere else
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Why exactly are people so squeamish about nudity? Why? When I was in Italy, I saw nudity everywhere. Naked statues, naked people on posters in plain view on the city street, naked people on television commercials during the day...What the **** is the big deal about people with no clothes on? Seriously, if we saw it all the time, it wouldn't be a big deal. I just don't understand how people can be so ****ing prudish.
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I think everyone just needs to get over this and let the admins do what the feel they should. I mean hey, I have an authority problem, sure, but this is solving nothing. Obviously, as has been stated, this wasn't personal.
The admins can't be perfect in their Rule of Law and whatnot, but I'd say the trend is consistant enough to say they're trying very very hard to keep this all fair.
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The admins are not one being and I find it inconceivable that they do not disagree about things. And frankly if enough members are disagreeing with an/plural admin(s), I think the problem needs to be addressed.
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quote:The admins can't be perfect in their Rule of Law and whatnot, but I'd say the trend is consistant enough to say they're trying very very hard to keep this all fair.
I'm not questioning their motives. But sometimes I do think that some of the administrators (particularly our newest two) overuse their power when its really not necessary.
When a new moderator acts that way (as they usually do), it gets annoying, but they usually settle down after awhile. Busy body administrators are another story.
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By all means give me an example of your concerns, and I have no problem addressing them.
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My touch in that thread was so swift and brutal I DON'T EVEN APPEAR TO HUMAN EYES.
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quote:By all means give me an example of your concerns, and I have no problem addressing them.
It's a generalized concern. If I gave you a series of closed threads you'd probably give me some reason for why they're closed (hell, most of them contain one already).
I've just been noticing a good percentage of harmless threads that are being closed where I've thought to myself that it really wasn't necessary other than as an exercise in power.
Frankly, Mara's been the one that I've noticed doing it most often.
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This was not a discussion about whether or not the Mods are doing their job and the exact nature of what they are doing in their job details, this was a just my opinion on how this whole thing played out. Not people in particular, the situation itself.
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Well, yeah sol, I would give you reasons why they were closed, I thought that's the point. If someone voices to me a complaint about why something was closed, I'm guessing that's what they want, a reasonable explanation as to why it occured. Or if the complaint has solid merit, the thread get reopened. It's happened before. But I try to offer communication before I close any thread or do some editing that isn't just mindless spam or something from some troll. Earlier in the Cantina, why did I close the first thread that LiC started? An image was posted which was doing nothing than poking fun at the entire situation, and I just didn't want it to get out of hand. Could I have just edited such things out? In retrospect probably, but I reacted quickly. But I think most would agree that was not a harmless thread to begin with, and I was just trying to avoid the situation from really exploding. It didn't need to get worse.
This act apparently upset someone so much to the point that a seperate thread was created in order to tell me to get off my power trip. I'm not perfect, I don't claim to be. But, I'm sorry I can't take it very seriously when I'm so immaturely called out like that. My response was probably equally immature so for the language and stuff I apologize, but while adminsistration is not perfect, a lot of people have serious problems understanding how to appropriately voice a complaint.
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I'm not talking about LiC's thread. Hell, I'm behind a firewall and can't see the picture that EwoksSuck posted so I can't even claim that I have an informed opinion on that situation.
I said I wanted to keep this critisism generalized and I meant it. I'm not interested in arguing the specific merits of individual thread closings right now. Unless it was something blatent (like the Revolution thread a couple months back) all that would be accomplished would be a display of defensiveness such as the above post.
The fact is, I've noticed a more liberal use of the locking button lately and figured now is as good a time as any to bring it up so that you guys will have it in the back of your mind in the future.
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Well in general-speaking terms I can honestly say I'll keep it in mind. I'm not insane with power, I actually don't enjoy locking threads at all, though I don't know if that notion might be scoffed at. If my instinct to close certain threads is indeed too quick on the draw, I'll keep an eye on it. Like I said I realize I'm not perfect and can make mistakes. But in the meantime, for everyone reading, what does help a whole bunch is when a problem or a complaint is had, is if its done in a proper manner. And by that all I mean is one of two things. Contact me or the admin/mod in question via PM, or do it here in Feedback. There seems to be a mistaken idea that if someone has a complaint they have a better chance of getting notice in the specific forum the action took place in. That's not true. This forum was designed for such things, and I can assure everyone this forum is always looked at. Not to mention that posting complaints in any other forum is frowned upon simply because we don't want to distract from the goings-on at that board.
And being on the topic of Feedback, I want to clear the air about the closings here, which many notice. This is done for one reason and one reason only. There was a bad outbreak going on of people in Feedback using the threads of others as their own place of back and forth conversation and general post-upping. So the practice was taken that when a thread is made with a question or concern, and that concern is satisfactorily addressed, the thread would just be locked, to ensure the usual suspects wouldn't make the thread their own personal playground, yet the info is still available for anyone with the same or similar concern. Here in Feedback, a closed thread equals a resolved problem, think of it that way. I assure everyone, if a question or a problem is posted here and its not yet resolved, the thread will remain open until it is. We're not just closing threads for fun here.
Oh, and finally to sol, yeah I knew you weren't directly referring to LiC's thread in your post, I just wanted to clear the air on what went down with that, as I figure that looks to be the catalyst of this whole thing.
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Now that I've spent two hours catching up on four days' worth of tommyrot, remind Uncle Six sometime to waste some of his free time retelling the story of the WTC Guy incident and how none of you learned anything from it.
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Acting as an administrator is never easy work, nor is being a moderator. It's always a bit amusing to see how quickly people will jump on a perceived wrong decision taken by an admin or mod. Yeah, they make bad choices - I've even sent a couple PMs in my day expressing some displeasure. I've found, however, that more anger tends to exist when the discussion about the incident is closed. Yeah, you may see it as an attack, but sometimes the airing of grievances can be a very healing thing, especially if it can be kept from being a pissing contest with one of the people deciding that they're going to take their ball and go home.
And, while I didn't see the original pic that I'm going to reference, some time ago there was a pic removed from Lando that was of a member covering her breasts with her hands - same general concept, so there is a history of such pics being labeled unfit.
I think that, in general, the best mods and admins are the ones that leave the smallest footprints in terms of their power, and the best users are the ones that just accept when things go wrong for them.
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Feedback is not a community forum. When an issue in feedback is resolved, the topic is normally closed. That's the way it's always been. People were starting to use feedback as their own little community forum and so we went back to closing threads. As administrators and moderators of this forum, that's what we're supposed to do.
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I've always searched for reasons as to why there would be any advantage at all for "electing" moderators and/or administrators, but I think this case might actually somewhat illustrate one good reason for it. Especially since this specific situation involves a few veteran members in relatively extended periods of good standing.
I've been around longer than most, and I'll respectfully see myself as mistaken on this if anyone can cite me as wrong... But there have been certain times in the history of Nightly where it seems as if moderators or administrators, or perhaps both, were simply out of touch with the majority of the population of users on this board. I wouldn't venture to say that all moderators on Nightly fit this description, in fact I'd say most of them fit in well within thier community. Props go to moderators like JediGoat, JediCool or Krawlie for actively participating in thier little mini-communities, not simply "enforcing" them.
On the other hand, there seem to be a handful of moderators who seem to grudgingly heed the burden of thier position. They don't seem to care for what they do, nor the people that they enforce. They seem to simply be out of touch with the community atmosphere that they are enlisted to. It seems to entice apathy and intolerance from both parties. I refuse to name names, but anyone who actively participates in any of the forums that suffer from this will know the sort of thing that I am talking about. It's entirely possible that "electing" a member of a respected community who will follow the precident of the example of the moderators who have effectively filled thier positions would solve this sort of problem.
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I want it on record that this was not the discussion I intended it to be. I'm not trying to call anyone out. In fact, I say good job Shadow, however he and Jason could've handled the aftermath a little better, addressing the issues directly rather then just close the topics and say take it to PMs because I was curious about everything that was going on. Sure Lace posted the pic, but the general info she gots on the reasons behind what the mods/admins did was interesting to me. I'm not going to say no right and wrong decisions on either parties, just it bothers me when you create a thread to discuss this and it has to be done quietly under the table.
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Then why dind't you just PM the those people involved and ask?
Mods and Admins have a hard job, no matter what they do, one person will always be upset. The problem comes when that person is liked/respected and other people feel the 'injustice', and feel the need to keep on at issues that could have/shoudl have been resolved if people had just kept their noses out and accpeted the facts.
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quote:Originally posted by NumberSix: Now that I've spent two hours catching up on four days' worth of tommyrot, remind Uncle Six sometime to waste some of his free time retelling the story of the WTC Guy incident and how none of you learned anything from it.
[cozies up to the camp fire] I lost sleep over that one. Well not really. Okay, maybe I did and maybe I didn't. Although I did learn that being a mod of an "off topic" / "community" forum sucks. It was in those days I longed for the Movies or Animation forum position. Then later I fell in love with the idea of a pro wrestling forum... I'm rambling now aren't I? Sorry, I'm much older now.
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If my instinct to close certain threads is indeed too quick on the draw, I'll keep an eye on it. Like I said I realize I'm not perfect and can make mistakes. But in the meantime, for everyone reading, what does help a whole bunch is when a problem or a complaint is had, is if its done in a proper manner. And by that all I mean is one of two things. Contact me or the admin/mod in question via PM, or do it here in Feedback. There seems to be a mistaken idea that if someone has a complaint they have a better chance of getting notice in the specific forum the action took place in. That's not true. This forum was designed for such things, and I can assure everyone this forum is always looked at. Not to mention that posting complaints in any other forum is frowned upon simply because we don't want to distract from the goings-on at that board. 
