Richcelt
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quote:Originally posted by D-Ray Kenobi: I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that noticed that. During that "Wild West" stage of the Cantina years and years ago, it seemed as if the lack of concrete standards gave way to more colorful and fruitful discussion. Even more intellectual. I can remember a Cantina that didn't continually derive topics from small life observations or random bits of people's lives. That Cantina focused more on life's intricacies such as matters of politics, religion, etc. Not in a manner suitable for a forum dedicated to any one of those particular subjects, but in a way where it was simply random intellectual conversation.
Not to stir up the pot too much, as this will probably be the only post of mine on this topic, but I couldn't quite let this one go. As much as Mandard already explained much of this, I feel the need to elaborate further, 'cause this just ain't right.
D-Ray, this "glorious" time in the Cantina you are refering to I can simply dub as the "Whoopingass moderatorship" time period. Thing were so loose and fancy-free back then because, for one thing, Darth Whoopingass was hardly ever around to actually do the job of moderating. He was/is in the military and had way more things to do with his time than moderate a community board, so I don't place any blame or fault on him, that's just simply the way it was. Because of this however, the Cantina was more or less free to go as wild as it wanted to. We only had JA and Mandard around as Admins, and JA was disappearing too, so the Cantina went pretty much unmoderated for a good long time. You throw people like Kwan, Red 5, SOL, and, yes, even myself, into that mix where "intelligent discussions" meant flame wars over politics and/or religion, to say nothing of the general "Lando-like" frivolity that went along side of it, and you get what may seem like a "fun time" to some. To an Admin or Mod, especially when you have so few of both, such chaos is a nightmare. So what happens?
Whoopingass gets replaced by three, count them THREE, Moderators, the Lyceum is created for Kwan et al., and the rules that have ALWAYS been in place get ENFORCED more often than not. Eventually we will get more Admins to further enforce the rules. You may look back on those days with fond memories of fun, probably because some of the fun that YOU created, which only added to the problems, but for the rest of us, even for someone like myself who casue his own share of problems, having those moderators there (Six, Torch, and Ryn) was like cool water on a roaring fire. It was not that fun. I would not like to go back to that again. And outside of you wishing for the chance to freely stir up more of the same kind of trouble you and others stired up there back then, I don't see why ANYONE would want to go back to that again.
I like the current set up much better, thank you.
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I just want to know why I'm the only one sitting at this damn campfire!
I will say though that I totally agree with Fred on this. The "good ol days" as they are often refered, go back to a time when the cantina was basically lawless, allowing people to freely annoy, post redundant threads and flame. Not to mention allowing trolls to come in drop landmines around the place. I'm hardly surprised that many lamentations for this time are from people that were guilty of just that, and now get banned for it. I can say quite confidently that despite all the fun a few were having, this would've turned a lot of potential members away.
Things are MUCH better how they are now. I suggest we all grow up and live with it.
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sorry six, you lost me after about 2 sentences... talk to me like you'd talk to your son, i'm not as bright or deep as you are giving me credit for here!!
would i be correct in saying that what all that gobbledeegook seems to be boiling down to is this... if i, as a woman, want to post pics of half naked guys, i must also accept jokes about women being physically beaten by men???
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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D-Ray Kenobi
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In respectful response to Richcelt, I would argue that it's simply all up to a matter of interpretation. Some might interpret thier memories of that era as "unlawful", "incoherent", or whatever else. Others might interpret it as a forum of free discussion with free reign that was unshacked, and able to dive into any imaginable conversation. Of course, I'd definately lean towards the latter.
One thing that Richcelt doesn't mention is that, during that era, everyone had grown a thick skin not too different than what one entering Lando would have to have. Amongst regular posters who participated in such discussions, everyone seemed to not take anything too personally and let most of everything bounce off of them. Perhaps part of the problem nowadays is that we don't do that as well.
Richcelt, I understand your point and see where you are coming from. I just think your point of view might be somewhat tainted, due to your former moderator title, and I respectfully disagree.
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well, this is the feedback forum, afterall... you guys must be looking for the 'singalong forum'... down the hall, take a hard left after the washrooms.
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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Anyhow, here is my 2 cents on the whole thing. I'm going to remain neutral on the subject because;
1. I agree with what Sigh said. It is very disturbing to read anything about woman/child abuse. Especially, if the comment came from the left field, in a thread that has nothing to due with woman/child abuse. If there were indications of what the thread was, I'm sure Sigh would not have read it, unless it was of a story in RL.
2. This may be funny coming from me but, people are welcome to say what they want, no matter how stupid, ignorant or insensitive they are. That is the freedom of speech. I now also understand that it is the Moderators job to monitor all the content to the best of their abilities, coordinating with the members and TOS. And doing all of this to the best of their abilities without taking away someone’s freedom of expression.
I'm not going to use this as an excuse but, during a tough time in my life, I was very... hot tempered and ignorant, especially in Lando. I let things bother me where I shouldn't have and I know I gave the Mods/Admins huge headaches, and for that I apologize.
Now, back to my morning beer... I mean breakfast.
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I think the core of the problem is that no one is going to agree on any concrete set of standards. Nor is anybody going to agree on what is and isn't kosher. Everyone has different interpretations of everything. What's hillarious and completely passable to one is offensive and sacreligious to another.
Dumbing or moralizing everything down to Degree X isn't the way to go. Someone, at some point, is going to be offended by anything in some way. I think a more sensible approach is simply tagging threads that could potentially stir any given pot. Giving a thread title a "Not Safe For Work", or "Could Offend" gives any potential reader a heads up on the topic material. From that point, it's totally at thier discretion to enter that thread or not. Problem solved, at least from that standpoint.
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personally, if there was an end to jokes where people of any walk of life, black, white, asian, male, female, child, adult, get physically beat up for laughs, i'd be happy.
i mean seriously, if someone posted a cartoon in lando of a black man being beaten with a paddle by a white man, and a caption reading 'i told you to mind your own bisness, ******!' i doubt that would be deemed acceptable, right?? or am i wrong??
its the physical abuse part that gets to me. again, i'm still shocked that i'm the ONLY one on this entire website who seems to think that jokes involving someone getting beat up are not acceptable, but hey...
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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I don't think they're acceptable. However, I don't think we should go around editing or deleting every single post that could be offensive.
It seems like we are going around in circles here: some people want lax moderation, other people want us to get rid of stuff that they find offensive. It's a lose-lose situation from my standpoint.
quote:I think a more sensible approach is simply tagging threads that could potentially stir any given pot. Giving a thread title a "Not Safe For Work", or "Could Offend" gives any potential reader a heads up on the topic material. From that point, it's totally at thier discretion to enter that thread or not. Problem solved, at least from that standpoint.
People have differing opinions of what is and what is not "work safe" and people are offended by different things. As such, most threads could use that label.
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Still, such tags would signify that the content within that thread is a degree higher than the "normal level" that you describe. It would still prove incredibly useful in that respect.
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Who determines if a thread could be offensive?
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Simple. Ideally, the author of the thread. But if the moderator finds that it needs the tag, they simply edit the thread title to include "NSFW" or "Could Offend".
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It should be up to the person who posts the thread to begin with to exercise their own common sense. Otherwise if they don't, then the mod should do the same...use their common sense.
Common sense...wow. Guess we didn't need this thread after all!
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common sense!! yes, thats the words i'm looking for!!
is it sensible to think that women may not feel welcome in a forum where cartoons depicting men beating a woman with a paddle, with a caption that says 'i told you to mind your own bisness, woman!!', are deemed humerous?? cause like i said, wasn't more than 10 posts before that particular cartoon came up, and so i just left the forum.
now you tell me that i have to go back if i wish to enjoy some adult humour with other women... that we should all feel welcome there.
thats the only reason i'm bringing this all up. i'm content to just leave and forget about it, but if you insist that i must go back there if i want to engage in adult humour with other women, THEN i got a problem....
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Trila Trtat
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Apparently what we need is "The Leia system"
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Sigh, I totally understand where you are coming from. And even agree with you to a point. I'm not the type at all that would participate in the kind of jokes that you are talking about, and I don't appreciate them too much either.
However, "I do not agree with the word that you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Like I was talking about in another thread a few days ago, language, and also symbols or images, are different in different contexts and instances, even that which may be inherently condescending. I'd take my own advice myself, if something were to rub me the wrong way. That's one thing that I think I've hopefully learned in my break from here.
Anyways, I pretty much just wanted you to know I totally understand what you mean.
quote:Originally posted by Trila Trtat: Apparently what we need is "The Leia system"
yeah, thatd be nice, but apparently thats just not an acceptable alternative, according to jason. my suggestion would be to have a female co-moderate the lando system... i thought it worked great on april fools day to have jami doing that, and i'm totally comfortable with her decisions regarding what and what isn't acceptable to a real raunchy womans sensabilities. hell, apparently i'm WAY off base to even feel the way i do, but i'm thinking that it would be easier to take if i knew that another woman was also a part of making the call.
hows that for a suggestion?? would a female co-moderator be 'do-able'??
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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well then, it shouldn't be that big of a stretch to have a female co-moderate with you then, eh??
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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well, now that you mention it, and all things considered.... ahem. yes, back to where i was headed...
a female moderator for the lando system.
oh ye nightly gods... is it do-able???
or, another thought, take the 'general' rating off star wars chicks. would it be okay to post lace's 'absolute hunk' picture that started this particular rigamarole in star wars chicks?? would raunchy conversation be acceptable there, or is it still considered a board that is for a very general family audience??
cause if laces' picture could be posted in swc, then i'll shut up... i just thought swc is a 'family' type board.
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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that works for me, too... that would be great, actually...
would posting a hunky dude in swc with a {mature content} tag in swc be acceptable, oh ye nightly gods???
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i chose the road less travelled. now, where the hell am i? Posts: 9435 | From: Ontario, Canada | Registered: Aug 2000
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I would be very interested to know how long Krawlie was banned for such a highly offensive post for which is PM box was filled with comments.
I got banned for a month in January for NOT by-passing the censor and typing (asteriks included):
"Hey, **** ****, **** you **** **** here!"
Kind of ironic, don't you think? I agree with Son of Lucas. Certain people in charge should not "overuse" their powers. Arbitrary and capricious punishment and/or actions do a disservice to all members.
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Surely Krawlie was banned for longer than that.
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Trila Trtat
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common sense!! yes, thats the words i'm looking for!! 
